Microsoft Advertisement Inc.

2019-11-167:47285209neil.computer

Advertisement needs to end. It is insane to think that a piece of software, so fundamental to running computers, an operating system is selling user behavior to advertisers.

TLDR: Advertisement is getting more aggressive. A a piece of software, so fundamental to running computers - an operating system is selling user behavior to advertisers.

I remember this logo. Classic sans-serif italics, with an odd artifact between "o" and "s". I remember installing Command & Conquer on Windows 98 (and the bluescreen of death when I was invading the Brotherhood of Nod base). I remember the boot-up sound of Windows XP. The Bliss desktop image is burned into memories of billions of people around the world. I remember neatly organizing desktop icons, I remember defragmentation tasks, I remember Solitaire; I remember the Microsoft that was run by Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer. It wasn't pretty, but in hindsight, I want old Microsoft back. I would have never said those words in 2002 or even in 2012.

I just installed a new copy of Windows. Through some decrapification, I was feeling pretty good. Skip through the usual Cortana BS to get through the very first boot, fresh, newly inaugurated desktop screen is waiting for a wallpaper change. There is no Windows equivalent of Little Snitch, but Glasswire as good as it gets on Windows for selectively blocking network traffic.

In about 15 mins, I was astounded by the amount of things Microsoft needs to phone home about.

  • Launching control panel (Settings)
  • Opening Explorer
  • Compatibility module when launching a legacy (Windows 7) app
  • Office SDX helper
  • Office Click-to-run client
  • Office telemetry dashboard
  • Update notification pipeline manager
  • Speech Runtime Executable
  • Office Langauge Preferences
Glasswire firewall blocking Microsoft Telemetry

Here is a full list of Windows 10 tracking, telemetry and ads hosts: https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts/issues/155

Cortana

I've never met anyone in person, have heard of anyone on the internet or seen any evidence that Cortana is a useful feature of Windows. The push for installing "AI Assistants" by the big-4 is troublesome. I think Siri makes sense for a phone, not so much on a Mac. Amazon is practically giving away their puck-sized Alexa devices for the hope of collecting data. Microsoft is pushing hard to get people to use Cortana; if they don't use, at least have the mic on for Cortana to listen and collect data.

Cortana is so tightly integrated into Windows that it is not possible to completely get rid of it unless the user is OK with risking system stability and disabling Windows search altogether. Here is a recent thread on Microsoft forums as well as StackOverflow: https://superuser.com/questions/949569/can-i-completely-disable-cortana-on-windows-10

Cortana is pre-installed on every single Windows 10 PC (barring LTSC builds). Even Enterprise versions, I kid you not.

Windows 10 Editions, notice Cortana is forced in every single edition from "Home" to "Enterprise". No one asked for it.
Windows 10 Editions, notice Cortana is forced in every single edition from "Home" to "Enterprise". No one asked for it.

The fact of the matter is, Cortana and Microsoft telemetry is an important asset in their advertisement portfolio. After LinkedIn acquisition, Microsoft's focus towards advertisment has moved away from traditional ads on Bing to using rich, highly targetted and accurately tagged datasets from LinkedIn, and horrifyingly, Windows 10.

I predict that Microsoft will offer a basic "Home" version of Windows for free. It will become so lucrative to be able to sell AI-analyzed behaviors such as mouse sensitivity, screentime, amortization of time amongst apps, detailed understanding of user behavior, webcam, speech and voice, tablet usage, location information, system information, etc. I could go on and on. Google has exploited user data in the most lucrative ways, but Microsoft has deeper integration, from Home PCs to SMB to Big corporations - and everything in the middle.

They even proudly announce this on their advertisement page.

Microsoft's advertising page - "Unlock Marketing Superpowers with AI", says the headline with a rather remarkably subtle indicators of what this page is about. There is a stock photograph of two men snooping on animals, taking pictures and analyzing them while on a Safari. Of course, advertisement.

Front page - Microsoft Advertisement
Benefits of Microsoft's advertisement network
Benefits of Microsoft's advertisement network

And here is the juicy part that disguises Windows 10 telemetry under the name "Microsoft Search Network".

Microsoft Search Network
Microsoft Search Network

"Microsoft Search Network" definition is vague enough, but notice the exclusivity of "Desktop" advertisement data. Microsoft does not have a mobile platform, however, the fact that they are offering desktop-exclusive data indicates that Bing is a negligible traffic source through Mobile searches.

Microsoft Search Network definition
Microsoft Search Network definition

Microsoft is also aggregating AOL Inc. advertisement data.

I also found this recent article on the advertisement portal illuminating.

At Microsoft Advertising, we take time to gather and study data and  trends to uncover ways to empower marketers everywhere to be more  successful. Below, we explore some ways top marketers are rethinking  customer profiling to deliver highly personalized, customer-centric  experiences.

Yes, I presume that if an ad-tech company has access to your PC, it can figure out where, what, how, which, why for anything and everything. The scope and possibilities of Microsoft's ad-tech is so vast, that they felt the need to publish an ebook: https://advertiseonbing-blob.azureedge.net/blob/bingads/media/insight/ebook/2019/10-october/cdj-chapter-2/cdj_mini_ebook_us.pdf

Microsoft also offers an accessibility guide to marketing:

Microsoft's Accessibility Marketing eBook
Microsoft's Accessibility Marketing eBook

https://advertiseonbing-blob.azureedge.net/blob/bingads/media/library/insight/moder-marketing-is-accessible-marketing/accessibility-marketing.pdf

The whole thing is written like it wants to say nothing:

The more people you reach the more you can serve, so accessibility is good business. Designing with accessibility in mind goes beyond compliance by providing more effective customer interactions, increased productivity and innovation. We are on a journey to understand the full impact that inclusion has on productivity and innovation, but one thing is clear: designing for inclusion means everyone can do and achieve more.

It is difficult to understand what all of this means. Microsoft tries to explain, but it is just a bunch of corporate sounding words strung together.

Microsoft's Accessibility Marketing eBook
Microsoft's Accessibility Marketing eBook

In general, advertising is becoming more and more aggressive - it is encroaching operating systems now. In an ideal world businesses would organically match with customers through a "pull" rather than "push" model. I've always enjoyed going to trade-shows and exhibitions where the entire advertisement model is "pull". Customers willingly travel to these trade fairs with a purpose to connect with a potential supplier, get a demonstration of their products and meet with them in person. There is a presumed context for both, the supplier and the customer.

Contrast it with an Instagram ad that keeps selling me noise-canceling headphones after I've already purchased one or trying to sell me Geico Insurance while I am watching a lecture on YouTube. Yes, it is more common to bombard the audience with overwhelming number of ads to instill familiarity of the brand name even if the customer is not in the market for purchasing. As consumers become more aware of these tactics, it will be a matter of time when people will seek objective differentiating features of a product or service, as opposed to being tricked. I don't have an academic background in Advertisement, I am sure there are many models of advertisement and the process of pursuing a customer. Or...perhaps I am completely naive here and there is a reason why billions of dollars are being funneled into the ad-tech machine. If I have to be honest - it paints a rather dark picture of human gullibility and expectations.

The "push" advertisement model has created multi-billion dollar enterprises with ever-growing pervasive invasion into people's lives. It is time for new tech companies to come up with respectful, privacy-centric, accurate matching of suppliers to customers. Advertisement today is about shady tactics, store smells, psychological tricks, dark patterns, attention retainment, micro-transactions, deceptive wording, repetitive exposure; what happened to building great products so that the customers advertise it by word of mouth? What happened to companies that focus on quality, customer service and long-term prospects of building rapport with customers for their life-long loyalty? What happened to honesty and integrity in conducting business? These concepts have become so alienated.

Advertisement is only going to get worse with IoT devices, where everything is telemetrized and subject to data collection.

Change Log

Edit 1: Grammar editsEdit 2: "Safari" -> "a Safari"Edit 3: Changed grammar, tone of the article and removed unnecessary wording.

Edit 4: I took down the article because I was applying to Microsoft for jobs. This is the risk one has to take. Reposting it. I don't care.


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Comments

  • By zercurity 2019-11-168:392 reply

    We've been using this tool to strip out unwanted Microsoft 'features' such as Cortana. Its a powershell script you simply give it your Windows ISO and it lets you remove applications and services you don't wanted installed. It creates a really awesome Windows OS. I highly recommend it.

    https://github.com/DrEmpiricism/Optimize-Offline

    • By ksangeelee 2019-11-1610:552 reply

      While I'm glad these efforts exist, it's wrong to have to fight my operating system in this way. In my experience, it's a losing battle. Microsoft seem intent on having full control of your system, and they are in a position to take that control as and when they like.

      The occasional nods towards the technical crowd, for example WSL & VSCode are distracting us from the very large elephant in the room.

      • By dgzl 2019-11-1616:533 reply

        > it's wrong to have to fight my operating system in this way.

        Your operating system? This isn't Linux, this isn't a free and open system.

        > Microsoft seem intent on having full control of your system, and they are in a position to take that control as and when they like.

        This isn't your system any more than buying a CD makes the music yours. You're renting their system.

        • By grawprog 2019-11-1617:372 reply

          >This isn't your system any more than buying a CD makes the music yours. You're renting their system.

          I really can't understand how people are ok with this. Now just with windows, but in general these days. Why are people ok with having things they don't really own after spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on them. If I buy a computer, it's my computer, I don't give a fuck what operating system is on it, what fine print amd or Intel throw in saying their management systems are their property, I don't care. I'll do whatever I want with my computer and if Microsoft or any other company has a problem with it they can come sue me for all I care.

          • By pasabagi 2019-11-1618:381 reply

            Do you live in a house you own?

            I'm sympathetic to your viewpoint, but I think rent is a society-wide problem, not just a problem with computers, and computers are far from the most acute example.

            • By grawprog 2019-11-1621:171 reply

              No, I'm not saying rentals, or using things you don't own is bad, I'm saying the line's being pushed too far towards non ownership of things that shouldn't be that way. Owning a house as a much much larger barrier of entry than a computer or other things.

              • By pasabagi 2019-11-1621:55

                Your distinction seems a bit arbitrary to me. Building an operating system is a massive barrier to entry - far greater than building a house. Likewise, designing a computer.

          • By dgzl 2019-11-1617:401 reply

            >I'll do whatever I want with my computer

            You pretty much can, I don't understand why you're upset. Windows on the other hand is not your property.

            Your laptop in this case is the CD, you own that. Windows is the music that you're renting.

            • By grawprog 2019-11-1621:211 reply

              Hmmm I think a better analogy might be, think of a car, the motor, the body and all the internal working parts are the hardwear, windows is the steering wheel, the gear shifter and the gas and break pedals of my car. Sure my car might run without them, but I'm not going anywhere. Now imagine you owned the rest of your car, but not the steering wheel, pedals or gear shifter. Now imagine the company that made those, separate from the company that makes the rest of your car, owned them and could do whatever they like with them while you're driving your car.

              • By pault 2019-11-173:39

                No, in this analogy you are the passenger and Windows is a driver that, despite the fact that you are paying them to drive you from point A to point B, always takes a longer route that ensures you see as many roadside billboards as possible. It also occasionally drives you home and makes you wait while it adds new parts to the car, then starts the whole trip over again.

        • By e40 2019-11-1616:591 reply

          Bad analogy. The music on a CD doesn't change after you purchase it. Windows is in constant evolution.

          • By dgzl 2019-11-1617:20

            It's not a bad analogy because the point (it's not yours) doesn't depend on the idea of whether the data changes or not. Regardless of if the data evolves or not, it's still not yours to control (to a complete extent).

        • By wslh 2019-11-1617:311 reply

          > Your operating system? This isn't Linux, this isn't a free and open system.

          Linux is not your operating system either. You are not the owner of Linux. Linux has a permissive open source license that don't give you ownership. If you were the owner you could change its license.

          • By dgzl 2019-11-1617:331 reply

            I'm saying Linux is "free and open," you can clearly see that in my comment.

            • By wslh 2019-11-1619:181 reply

              Clearly the "Your operating system? This isn't Linux, ..." assumes that Linux is yours beyond if it's free and open.

              • By dgzl 2019-11-1621:151 reply

                Regardless, "you're operating system" doesn't imply literal legal ownership, it implies ability to control, as in control when and what gets updated as the OP is upset about.

                • By type0 2019-11-1622:131 reply

                  I think in a legal sense it is yours. Heck you could even sell it, the license just requires you to provide the code if you change it. If you don't abide the license you can loose that ownership (by the legal copyright case), in a same way you could loose the ownership of your car or house in certain circumstances.

                  > it implies ability to control, as in control when and what gets updated as the OP is upset about.

                  Many routers run linux, the provider doesn't have to give you ability to control that OS, but in accordance with the copyright law they have to give you the code when you ask for it. So in that case you own both the device and the code but you don't necessary fully control it (unless it's flashed with OpenWrt or similar). So control and ownership are different things.

                  • By dgzl 2019-11-1622:30

                    Who else wants to be pedantic?

      • By glogla 2019-11-1611:352 reply

        VSCode is a pure marketing effort, trying to convince people that Microsoft isn't all that evil.

        WSL is more sinister - it's a counter to "I want to run Linux on my desktop / laptop". It is a carrot to the stick of Secure Boot that's trying to make anything else than Windows impossible on PC.

        • By jkaplowitz 2019-11-1616:11

          Secure Boot doesn't inherently prevent other OSes from running. The user retains ultimate control on the vast majority of Secure Boot x86/x64 machines which allow adding your own signing keys, removing Microsoft's and/or the OEM's, and disabling Secure Boot. In these cases, it is a positive anti-malware system without removing user freedom.

          Additionally, Microsoft cooperates with the Linux community to sign their keys. Most Linux distros these days can install with Secure Boot enabled, and still offer ways for users who need to do things like compile kernel modules to do that without having to disable Secure Boot.

          The situation is different for some devices like (I think) Windows RT devices based on ARM, and maybe cheaper x86/x64 netbooks now that the Secure Boot certification requirements have changed. In these cases they often do restrict you to only what MS is willing to sign, with no opt-out. I won't defend that in the slightest, but it's not true for much of and probably most of the PC market.

        • By andrew_ 2019-11-1613:19

          I've always seen it as more of a life raft for people who simply cannot avoid having to use Windows. That crowd is getting smaller, but still sizable.

    • By apk-d 2019-11-168:541 reply

      Awesome! Any idea how well it deals with system updates? Last time I used a script to remove some of the crapware (OneDrive, games, office installers, etc) it all came back after a larger feature update.

      • By TomMarius 2019-11-1610:421 reply

        These are basically OS reinstalls, there is a script capable of doing the same in live system

        • By mcny 2019-11-1611:06

          Yes. I ran the removes all appx script that a kind soul shared here with a bunch of warnings and disclaimers and I love it.

  • By DavideNL 2019-11-1615:44

    I recently had to install Windows 10 and ended up installing "Windows 10 LTSC". Right after install i used "O&O shutup" and "Win10-Initial-Setup-Script" to get some sane defaults/strip all the crap.

    It's sad that Windows itself has become bloatware...

    https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

    https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script

  • By ohthehugemanate 2019-11-1610:042 reply

    What a load of shit.

    I love the guy trying to infer Microsoft's ad profit centers by trying to read between the lines of marketing copy. Entertaining stuff. But let's not confuse this for grown up analysis.

    Microsoft releases their financials, like every publicly traded corporation. Bing search ads are a small part of revenu, about 5% of what Azure earns, and stable. Desktop ads are a vanishingly small line item. Microsoft's strategy is based on platform sales — you know, the part of their business whose revenue is doubling every quarter. Google's strategy is based on "collect it all" data hoarding and ad sales.

    But the punchline is really the best part. "Apple has lit the torch." Siri and Cortana are analogous products, and they are the motivation for both their companies' data collection.

    Actually a voice assistant gives a company a ton of power, but it can be used for different purposes. Alexa doesn't exist for ad revenue, it exists to push more sales through Amazon. Cortana exists to push Azure platform integrated features in Windows, effectively doubling down the value of the platform investment. Siri exists to push Apple integrated features and to guard the gates of their walled garden.

    The only valid part if the article is that it's hard to believe that anyone really wants a voice assistant.

    • By neilpanchal 2019-11-1610:383 reply

      You’re right that I’ve not backed some of the claims with objective financial analysis. I searched for annual reports, then went off to finishing the post, in the interest of time. I thought that it would take a long time to read the reports to find out the revenue broken down into various business segments instead of “Microsoft Search Network” bucket.

      Furthermore, whether ad business is a 1/20th of Microsoft’s revenue, is by itself not an indicator. It’s still a 7 billion dollar business. That’s larger than a lot of successful companies. Apple’s services business has grown rapidly from 0% to the second largest source of revenue.

      Microsoft, Adobe, etc are all aggressively trying to penetrate the ad market. Microsoft has failed to capitalize on IE/Edge or Bing, as much as it tried. Now, they’re hostile to privacy and have permeated their ad strategy to operating system level.

      I don’t agree with you about Siri and Cortana. I was trying to say that Apple is leading the path, “lit the torch”, to become a privacy centric business. And they’re openly advertising their products with Privacy motifs. That’s what I see. It wasn’t about Cortana or Siri.

      I’m glad I was able to entertain!

      Edit: If you’d like a thorough analysis, I strongly suggest subscribing to Stratechery blog.

      • By Hawxy 2019-11-1612:171 reply

        This article is incredibly misleading and I can't believe almost everyone on HN is taking it at face value. You've clearly made assumptions to fit your conclusion without verifying the validity of the assumptions themselves.

        The items you list at the top are just part of the normal telemetry subsystem and have nothing to do with advertising. Windows has an separate system for advertising and it's completely isolated from telemetry data unless users opt-in to "Tailored experiences" within the privacy settings. (See: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4468236/diagnostics...)

        Ad tracking within windows is limited to the windows store apps you open and what you search for in the start menu if web-searches with Bing are enabled, which is entire gist of the "Microsoft Search Network".

        Opting-out from "Advertising ID" during install/in privacy settings, or disabling personalised ads globally @ choice.microsoft.com stops this behaviour entirely.

        Instead of making assumptions about Cortana, you could've just checked the privacy guide: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4468233/cortana-and...

        I quote: "Cortana does not use the data you share to target ads to you. Ads may accompany search results that Cortana delivers, just as they do when you search on Bing.com. Even if Cortana does the searching for you, your web search queries will be treated as described in the Bing section of the Microsoft Privacy Statement."

        Using Cortana doesn't give Microsoft any more ad money over someone just doing a plain Bing search.

        • By neilpanchal 2019-11-1619:472 reply

          Do you mind if I paraphrase your comment and add it to the article? Thanks for checking the privacy guide, it establishes what Microsoft officially has to say about their data collection methods. And, I should have checked it before writing the article.

          I am cynical of any company that is trying to impede user's ability to turn privacy related settings off. They go out of their way to make it difficult. There are no more than 2 dozen privacy related switches in Control Panel. Everything is checked on by default. This whole thing reeks of insiduous tracking, spying and surveillance, despite of what the privacy guide says. I am very, very cynical.

          Also, there is no assurance that government agencies have access to a wealth of information that's collected as part of "user experience improvement". Furthermore, all this data collection, even if it is not used for advertisement currently has potential to be used in the future for ad tracking. Microsoft has full control over changing their privacy policy next day. I lost the count of emails that I get every other day that eBay, or YouTube or Twitter has changed their privacy policy.

          Assuming benevolent actions from the company collecting data, whether it is for "telemetry" purposes or for ad tracking, has the risk of being hacked. I presume Microsoft has taken enough steps to anonymize personally identifiable information or as they call it PII in the circles.

          The plug needs to be pulled from the point of origin of the data, if it is not collected, it is not going to be misused.

          Questions that I would like to ask Microsoft:

          - Why make it difficult for user to opt-out of privacy related settings?

          - Why employ dark patterns to trick users into submitting their data?

          - Why push Cortana across the board from "Home" to "Enterprise" editions, where no one has asked for it, no one uses it and it is impossible to get rid of?

          - Why not make it an opt-in process as opposed to opting out?

          • By Hawxy 2019-11-177:51

            > Do you mind if I paraphrase your comment and add it to the article?

            Sure.

            > Everything is checked on by default. They go out of their way to make it difficult.

            During install of recent versions of W10, there's a privacy settings dialog that comes up and allows you disable the majority of the privacy settings before installation. (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/03/06/windo...)

            > There are no more than 2 dozen privacy related switches in Control Panel.

            There's a lot of different settings because that's what people asked for. When W10 released, a lot of privacy options were bundled under a handful of toggles and it wasn't very clear what each of them did. Now it's explicit and far easier to understand for people that actually go looking for them.

            > This whole thing reeks of insiduous tracking, spying and surveillance, despite of what the privacy guide says.

            I'd honestly suggest spending some time on the Microsoft Privacy portal and related pages. They go into quite a lot of detail of what each individual setting does and what the data is used for, as well as Microsoft's internal policies for data management.

            These two pages are targeted towards IT peeps and I think provide the best summary if you have some time: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/configure-w... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/privacy/windows-10-...

            Your theory also doesn't make sense considering Microsoft's current market strategy as a cloud services company. Its advertisement business is barely a blip on the radar.

            > ...has the risk of being hacked. I presume Microsoft has taken enough steps to anonymize personally identifiable information or as they call it PII in the circles.

            Per the above link: "The principle of least privileged access guides access to diagnostic data. [...] We strive to gather only the info we need and to store it only for as long as it’s needed to provide a service or for analysis. Much of the info about how Windows and apps are functioning is deleted within 30 days"

            PII might be contained within full crash dumps, however access to potentially PII-containing telemetry requires internal approval:

            "If a device experiences problems that are difficult to identify or repeat using Microsoft’s internal testing, additional data becomes necessary. This data can include any user content that might have triggered the problem and is gathered from a small sample of devices that have both opted into the Full diagnostic data level and have exhibited the problem.

            However, before more data is gathered, Microsoft’s privacy governance team, including privacy and other subject matter experts, must approve the diagnostics request made by a Microsoft engineer."

            > Why make it difficult for user to opt-out of privacy related settings?

            Given the privacy dialog shown on install, and the ability to opt-out of personalised targeting globally via a single page, what part is difficult?

            > Why push Cortana across the board from "Home" to "Enterprise" editions, where no one has asked for it, no one uses it and it is impossible to get rid of?

            Search was actually separated from Cortana in a recent update. It was completely integrated at some point in an effort to compete with Apple/Google but is slowly being pulled apart and hidden away in the OS as, like you said, barely anyone uses it. Fun fact, if you never pick a language for Cortana it never enables. I just have a plain search box.

            > Why employ dark patterns to trick users into submitting their data? Why not make it an opt-in process as opposed to opting out?

            Both of these questions are effectively asking the same thing. Because nobody would go out of their way to enable it. The data Microsoft would receive would just be a mix of "Technically competent people that would like to send Microsoft diagnostic & usage data" and "People who enabled it accidentally". Your average joe isn't going to read the descriptions of 10 toggle boxes and go to enable them. Not a great dataset when you're looking for a niche driver problems affecting 0.005% of users.

          • By tarsinge 2019-11-1622:39

            Sorry to hijack this thread but am I the only who suspect a pretty strong astroturfing effort from MS on HN since a few years? I’m glad more people are now seeing behind the developer friendly PR and maybe it was just a fad and I’m overthinking, but MS news and some related comments on HN always have a strange tone to me.

      • By Cougher 2019-11-1613:43

        "And they’re openly advertising their products with Privacy motifs."

        Because advertising is . . . trustworthy? Advertising copy is meant to sell products. Apple sees a niche market where people are calling out the invasive tactics of tech companies, so they want to aim for that market. Not that they actually have to provide a fully privacy-focused product; they just need to deliver an appealing message. All they really "have" to do (scare quotes because they don't really HAVE to do anything) to live up to this claim is implement some privacy-focused element to their products. At the same time, they can also implement very privacy-invasive elements. As long as they are less privacy-invasive as their competition, they can reasonably assert their claim as a privacy-focused company. That's still a very far cry from being a privacy-CENTRIC company. Bonus privacy invasive element is to pay some genius to text customers' nude photos to themselves.

      • By user84 2019-11-1612:00

        You have been more than entertaining. Thank you

    • By commandersaki 2019-11-1614:292 reply

      > The only valid part if the article is that it's hard to believe that anyone really wants a voice assistant.

      I think voice assistance shines on mobile devices because of clumsy UI.

      Here's an elaborate example: When I finish a dentist appointment I negotiate a follow up with the receptionist after paying my bill. I can then dictate to siri to schedule the next appointment rather than clumsily typing it all in.

      A more obvious example: hands-free operation when operating a vehicle, e.g. "Siri read me the last message I received (from Alice)".

      Unless you're completely inept with your computer there's really no reason to use the voice interface. I think we already learned this lesson otherwise Dragon Dictate would've taken off decades ago.

      • By muststopmyths 2019-11-1614:381 reply

        >Unless you're completely inept with your computer there's really no reason to use the voice interface. I think we already learned this lesson otherwise Dragon Dictate would've taken off decades ago.

        I must be completely inept because I find saying "Hey Cortana, remind me to abc at xyz" right when something occurs to me a lot more convenient than opening my web-based calender and going through the rigmarole of setting up a reminder.

        • By a_t48 2019-11-1619:271 reply

          I'm with you there.

          • By commandersaki 2019-11-171:39

            You fellas can be the exception in that you're not inept but you found a use where nobody else really has (or discovered).

      • By 9HZZRfNlpR 2019-11-1615:11

        Unless you're completely inept with computer it's always faster to do the tasks with hands.

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