Wendy's will experiment with dynamic surge pricing for food in 2025

2024-02-2814:402979arstechnica.com

Surge pricing test next year means your cheeseburger may get more expensive at 6 pm.

A view of a Wendy's store on August 9, 2023 in Nanuet, New York.
Enlarge / A view of a Wendy's store on August 9, 2023, in Nanuet, New York.

American fast food chain Wendy's is planning to test dynamic pricing and AI menu features in 2025, reports Nation's Restaurant News and Food & Wine. This means that prices for food items will automatically change throughout the day depending on demand, similar to "surge pricing" in rideshare apps like Uber and Lyft. The initiative was disclosed by Kirk Tanner, the CEO and president of Wendy's, in a recent discussion with analysts.

According to Tanner, Wendy's plans to invest approximately $20 million to install digital menu boards capable of displaying these real-time variable prices across all of its company-operated locations in the United States. An additional $10 million is earmarked over two years to enhance Wendy's global system, which aims to improve order accuracy and upsell other menu items.

In conversation with Food & Wine, a spokesperson for Wendy's confirmed the company's commitment to this pricing strategy, describing it as part of a broader effort to grow its digital business. "Beginning as early as 2025, we will begin testing a variety of enhanced features on these digital menuboards like dynamic pricing, different offerings in certain parts of the day, AI-enabled menu changes and suggestive selling based on factors such as weather," they said. "Dynamic pricing can allow Wendy's to be competitive and flexible with pricing, motivate customers to visit and provide them with the food they love at a great value. We will test a number of features that we think will provide an enhanced customer and crew experience."

A Wendy's drive-through menu as seen in 2023 during the FreshAI rollout.
Enlarge / A Wendy's drive-through menu as seen in 2023 during the FreshAI rollout.

Wendy's is not the first business to explore dynamic pricing—it's a common practice in several industries, including hospitality, retail, airline travel, and the aforementioned rideshare apps. Its application in the fast-food sector is largely untested, and it's uncertain how customers will react. However, a few other restaurants have tested the method and have experienced favorable results. "For us, it was all about consumer reaction," Faizan Khan, a Dog Haus franchise owner, told Food & Wine. "The concern was if you’re going to raise prices, you’re going to sell less product, and it turns out that really wasn’t the case."

The price-change plans are the latest in a series of moves designed to modernize Wendy's business using technology—and increase profits. In 2023, Wendy's began testing FreshAI, a system designed to take orders with a conversational AI bot, potentially replacing human workers in the process. In his discussion, Tanner also discussed "AI-enabled menu changes" and "suggestive selling" without elaboration, though the Wendy's spokesperson remarked that suggestive selling may automatically emphasize some items based dynamically on local weather conditions, such as trying to sell cold drinks on a hot day.

If Wendy's goes through with its plan, it's unclear how the dynamic pricing will affect food delivery apps such as Uber Eats or Doordash, or even the Wendy's mobile app. Presumably, third-party apps will need a way to link into Wendy's dynamic price system (Wendy's API anyone?).

In other news, Wendy's is also testing "Saucy Nuggets" in a small number of restaurants near the chain's Ohio headquarters. Refreshingly, they have nothing to do with AI.


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  • By bdw5204 2024-02-2814:575 reply

    This is not going to be well-received by their customers and is likely to send business to McDonald's and Burger King instead.

    They also really shouldn't be doing "suggestive selling" whether with humans or machines. Just shut up and take the customer's order rather than trying to talk them into ordering something. Nobody likes when stores or restaurants do that even if it "increases metrics" because some people choose to buy the item being aggressively pushed. What you don't see are all of the people who go somewhere else to avoid having to deal with that.

    • By dahart 2024-02-2815:053 reply

      > likely to send business to McDonalds

      Wendy’s is doing this in order to compete with McDonalds, which has been pushing up prices much faster than inflation for several years in a row… and McDonalds has publicly claimed it’s not hurting their business.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/mcdonalds-price-hikes-puttin...

      • By nsxwolf 2024-02-2821:581 reply

        I used to eat fast food multiple times per week. Now it's once a month, tops. It's just so expensive.

        It's crazy to me to think that no one else out there thinks like me? That these companies can just confidently do this and succeed doing it?

        • By dahart 2024-02-2915:29

          Lots and lots of people think like you, you’re definitely not alone. But there are so many people who still eat fast food at all times, and so many companies competing for fast food sales that yes, they can experiment with what the market will bear and not suffer serious consequences.

      • By nimbius 2024-02-2815:233 reply

        McDonalds has every incentive to insist to its shareholders that price increases do not impact business performance. any onlooker --even Wendy herself-- who thinks otherwise is deluded.

        McDonalds is routinely lambasted on social media and in memes for its recently gilded pricing. the quality just is not there. I suspect actual sales are flat, or in decline as a response to the price increase.

        The alternative to scalding a frog is a world where corporations occasionally have to suffer the consequences of inflation as well as consumers.

        • By dahart 2024-02-2915:25

          Because McDonalds is publicly traded, there’s no such thing as “insisting” that performance is fine when they’re not, the sales facts are made public. The company indeed has seen profits recently that were missing from 2014-2020. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MCD/mcdonalds/reve...

          It is entirely possible for the number of hamburgers sold to go down while the price goes us, and for MCD revenues to stay even or earn more money. That might lead to a hollowing out of their customer base, and could lead to eventual decline, but there’s no guarantee of that.

          McDonalds also has a lot of incentives to try to escape the rock-bottom commodity pricing, if it can, and regardless of quality, some companies do charge “market rates”. Apple and Starbucks come to mind. Starbucks is a good example of a company that took a cheap commodity product and pushed the price up considerably without suffering decline; the primary consequences were mountains of profit.

        • By bdw5204 2024-02-2818:19

          If you're at the absolute bottom of the market in terms of price and quality then your sales are probably somewhat inelastic. Especially if people have to buy your product or a similar product.

          It's the same reason why prices keep going up at the grocery store. Those companies know you're going to buy groceries anyway and most people are going to buy the name brand instead of the store brand.

          Where McDonald's runs into trouble is if their prices get so high that you might as well just go to a sit down restaurant instead. Five Guys and Smashburger are getting pretty close to that territory especially with the tipflation added onto their already high prices.

          The other risk for McDonald's is that somebody else will try to replace them as the replacement level[0] restaurant. If your customers are choosing you because you're the cheapest and fastest restaurant then you can't afford to have a competitor undercutting you on price or speed. That's why it's so surprising to me[1] that McDonald's would be raising their prices aggressively. Even if they improved the food quality dramatically, they're not going to be able to move their brand up market because their existing reputation is well established.

          [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_over_replacement_player (McDonald's is basically the restaurant equivalent of this baseball analytics concept)

          [1]: I virtually never eat at McDonald's so I was completely unaware that they've been jacking up their prices. I don't even know where my local McDonald's is without checking Google Maps.

        • By bananapub 2024-02-2815:58

          > McDonalds is routinely lambasted on social media and in memes for its recently gilded pricing. the quality just is not there. I suspect actual sales are flat, or in decline as a response to the price increase.

          so...you are assuming their sales are flat or declining based on your sense of the vibe and are assuming they lied in their SEC filings?

          this is a fairly bold method to analyse the world with.

      • By krsrhe 2024-02-2815:13

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    • By cogogo 2024-02-2815:30

      Might attract people who want to go there in off hours when the food is cheap and could be marketed that way. It’s interesting because they could definitely change the pricing algorithm dynamically as they see changes in customer behavior and impacts on revenue.

    • By sokoloff 2024-02-2814:592 reply

      "I'd like to buy some fast food at a reasonable and predictable price."

      "Sir, this is a Wendy's."

      • By ethbr1 2024-02-2815:18

        Ironically, Wendy's was the first of the major chains to have a value menu (aka dollar menu), in 1989.

      • By dylan604 2024-02-2815:07

        I know where your funny is aimed, but I would say the joke stands on its own if left off at food

    • By adolph 2024-02-2815:09

      > Just shut up and take the customer's order rather than trying to talk them into ordering something.

      Would you like fries with that?

      Are you interested in the catch of the day?

      May I suggest a wine to pair with that?

      Unlimited breadsticks!

    • By CooCooCaCha 2024-02-2815:081 reply

      My pessimistic take is this wont drive significant business to competitors and will slowly become the new standard because of the profit potential. Basically, enshittification.

  • By JB_Dev 2024-02-2815:133 reply

    This has been described as similar to Uber/Lyft surging but it’s different in a few critical ways that I suspect consumers are less tolerant of.

    When Uber/Lyft are surging it incentivise more drivers to go to the surge area. This raises supply and the surge rate decreases. Drivers are distributed automatically where they are needed. Overall trips taken should be higher compared with a no surging model. So it shifts both the demand (higher ride price) and the supply curves dynamically. That’s an easier model to market to customers as there is at least some logical sense behind it.

    However in Wendys case dynamic pricing has no effect on supply. It just modifies the demand curve.

    Fundamentally they are betting that their food demand is inelastic enough that they’ll make more money overall. That just feels more exploitative and is going to be harder to market.

    • By SketchySeaBeast 2024-02-2815:17

      > Fundamentally they are betting that their food demand is inelastic enough that they’ll make more money overall. That just feels more exploitative and is going to be harder to market.

      Yeah, I have no idea how they can sell this to the consumer. I have to pay more for food at supper time? Why would I want to pay for that? You're asking me to eat earlier or later to soften the demand curve, but why am I choosing fast food if I don't want convenience?

    • By Ajay-p 2024-02-2815:28

      When Uber/Lyft are surging it incentivise more drivers to go to the surge area.

      Or.. it incentivizes drivers to create surge conditions so they can make more money.

      https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-drivers-artificially-tr...

    • By lawlessone 2024-02-2815:161 reply

      >Fundamentally they are betting that their food demand is inelastic enough that they’ll make more money overall. That just feels more exploitative and is going to be harder to market.

      To be fair I think it's less exploitive than Ubers prices surging during a terror attack..

      • By mildchalupa 2024-02-2815:28

        This is a wild proposition. Were taxis running directly after 9/11?

        This is sort of a problem if a society depends on them as a piece of critical infrastructure. If a city owns a bus route and needs to evacuate a population, they can just do it by edict.

        No one is considering this edge case and how it should be handled at Uber. A company or community that has pride in what they offer would probably provide rides for free during such an anomaly. This is a drawback on the scalability of technology as we currently implement it.

  • By aqme28 2024-02-2815:122 reply

    It seems insane to me to market this as "the food costs extra at certain times of day" rather than "Happy Hour-- 20% off!"

    • By scoofy 2024-02-2821:31

      I actually think there is an important difference.

      Happy hours are designed to increase demand.

      Surge pricing is designed to capture some of the value that high demand loses to limited supply.

      I agree with your framing, but 20 hours of happy hour is a tough sell for PR, but worth getting right.

      I also disagree with everyone here saying people will just go to an alternative restaurant, when the entire point is that all the drive thru’s are already full during these periods.

    • By vidanay 2024-02-2815:31

      It costs 25% extra for 23 hours - et voilà, Happy Hour!

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