Trump announces 100% tariffs on movies ‘produced in foreign lands’

2025-05-059:47211489www.theguardian.com

President calls films ‘national security threat’ and claims he called on commerce department to immediately enact tariff

Donald Trump on Sunday announced on his Truth Social platform a 100% tariff on all movies “produced in Foreign Lands”, saying the US film industry was dying a “very fast death” due to the incentives that other countries were offering to draw American film-makers.

In his post, he claimed to have authorised the commerce department and the US trade representative to immediately begin instituting such a tariff.

“This is a concerted effort by other Nations and, therefore, a National Security threat,” Trump said in the Truth Social post. “It is, in addition to everything else, messaging and propaganda!”

“WE WANT MOVIES MADE IN AMERICA, AGAIN!” Trump added.

Commerce secretary Howard Lutnick posting on X said: “We’re on it.” Neither Lutnick nor Trump provided any details on the implementation. It was not immediately clear whether the move would target production companies, foreign or American, producing films overseas.

Film and television production in Los Angeles has fallen by nearly 40% over the last decade, according to FilmLA, a non-profit that tracks the region’s production. At the same time, governments around the world have offered more generous tax credits and cash rebates to lure productions, and capture a greater share of the $248bn that Ampere Analysis predicts will be spent globally in 2025 to produce content.

Politicians in Australia and New Zealand said on Monday they would advocate for their respective film industries, after the president’s announcement.

Australia’s home affairs minister Tony Burke said he had spoken to the head of the government body Screen Australia about the proposed tariffs. “Nobody should be under any doubt that we will be standing up unequivocally for the rights of the Australian screen industry,” he said in a statement.

New Zealand prime minister Christopher Luxon told a news conference the government was awaiting further detail of the proposed tariffs. “We’ll have to see the detail of what actually ultimately emerges. But we’ll be obviously a great advocate, great champion of that sector in that industry,” he said.

The announcement from Trump comes after he triggered a trade war with China, and imposed global tariffs which have roiled markets and led to fears of a US recession. The film industry has already been feeling the effects of the tariffs, as China in April responded to the announcements by reducing the quota of American movies allowed into that country.

China is the world’s second largest film market after the US, although in recent years domestic offerings have outshone Hollywood imports.

Former senior commerce department official William Reinsch, a senior fellow with the Center for Strategic and International Studies, said retaliation against Trump’s foreign movies tariffs would be devastating.

“The retaliation will kill our industry. We have a lot more to lose than to gain,” he said, adding that it would be difficult to make a national security or national emergency case for movies.


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  • By habosa 2025-05-0511:3827 reply

    The MAGA people attacking Hollywood is such a big mistake. Yes I know the average celebrity doesn’t share their views, but that doesn’t change the fact that Hollywood projects American culture around the world in a way that the government could never do itself. Movies and music made here are so often cited as the reason why young people around the world idealize America and want to emulate us (buy our clothes, speak English, etc)

    It’s the cultural equivalent of being the world’s reserve currency, it’s a massive free advantage in almost any situation. Stupid stupid stupid to threaten it.

    • By KingOfCoders 2025-05-0512:024 reply

      Growing up in the 70s and 80s in Germany, I've been brainwashed by US movies and sitcoms, 90% of the things I've watched was from the US - Magnum P.I, Simon & Simon, The Fall Guy, Kojak, A-Team, Golden Girls, Mary Taylor Moore, Lou Grant, MacGyver, Knight Rider, Night Court, Family Ties, Miami Vice, The Wonder Years, Facts of Life, Love Boat, and on and on and on.

      I know the US better than many parts of Germany.

      • By dagw 2025-05-0512:166 reply

        I know the US better than many parts of Germany

        I read an article years ago from a lawyer (might have been a judge) complaining that, thanks to US TV and movies, people in Sweden know more about how the US justice system works than the Swedish system. Far too many people just fall back on their US TV knowledge of how they think courts work and that they keep having to explain to the people that, no that's not how things works in Sweden.

        • By ecocentrik 2025-05-0512:592 reply

          To be fair, Americans have the same problem. The US justice system does not perfectly mirror the Hollywood justice system and jurors are constantly reminded of this when they're called to serve on US juries.

          • By sjsdaiuasgdia 2025-05-0517:232 reply

            It's hilarious to watch police body cam footage where an arrested person is screaming that they haven't been arrested properly because it didn't happen the way it happens in movies.

          • By FirmwareBurner 2025-05-0514:011 reply

            What?! Next thing you'll tell me Dr House doesn't mirror the reality of working in healthcare.

        • By whizzter 2025-05-0513:142 reply

          We have very few shows about lawyers/law here because our system is simple (and boring?) enough that there isn't much to make anything interesting about.

          IANAL but have taken some intro level course (that usually starts with don't think anything from American shows applies).

          1: It's rooted in civil law so the written laws(and their precursor political discussions) are first considered, laws are thus fairly broadly written with specifications where needed. So precedents are mostly only used to disambiguate gray areas in terms of applicability or conflicts between laws. (but precedents rulings are in turn are meant to rely on the precursor political discussions before courts can take their own authority on any subject).

          2: Intent is given significance, so 2 parties can enter into fairly "sloppily written" contracts that will be legally binding as long as the intent of the contract is clear, they're signed and doesn't violate any laws (there is law specifically targets obviously unfair contracts, but also other laws that regulate specific areas).

          3: Criminal prosecution at the primary level is in front of 3 judges, one professional head judge with law degree that knows laws and 2 "laymen" to represent people in general (usually politically appointed to reflect the people via elections), no juries as the role those serve is handled by the laymen judges.

          • By carlosjobim 2025-05-0522:041 reply

            You didn't mention the most important difference: Nordic countries have "free evidence exhibition", meaning that anything and everything is allowed to be presented as evidence in the courts and the judges have total liberty in deciding on how to weigh evidence.

            This means evidence such as hearsay or illegally obtained evidence is given the same consideration as real evidence. Resulting many times that the court can sentence an accused that everybody "knows" is guilty, and other times resulting in mind bogglingly insane verdicts.

            Another big difference: No plea deals. Which is something very strange about the American justice system.

          • By jimmydddd 2025-05-0519:082 reply

            It's actually pretty boring in the US as well. As an attorney, it's always interesting to see US law school applications increase if a "sexy" legal drama becomes popular on TV. I feel bad for those applicants, because 99% of legal work is not as exciting as on TV, the lawyers don't dress as well as they do on TV, and they definitely do not look as attractive as the ones on TV. :-)

        • By KingOfCoders 2025-05-0512:19

          Same with me. I know way too many things about the US justice system - like the difference between prisons and jails, totally irrelevant to my life.

        • By jaimebuelta 2025-05-0512:47

          There was a viral clip of someone in a Spanish court saying “objection!”, and the lawyer saying “that’s in the American systems, in the movies!”

        • By cafard 2025-05-0514:47

          I have heard of Canadians making the same mistake.

      • By alexpotato 2025-05-0512:192 reply

        There was a claim at one point that, due to the popularity of American TV shows in Europe, during household emergencies kids were calling 911 instead of the local version (e.g. it's 999 in some European countries)

        • By fellerts 2025-05-0512:209 reply

          I'd expect 911 to redirect to one of the emergency services in most/all European countries, no?

          • By cguess 2025-05-0512:342 reply

            112 works in the reverse way in the US as well (along with 999 which is the equivalent in many other countries such as the UK). There's not really any reason not to have many numbers just in case. Tourists shouldn't have to memorize, and recall, new numbers in an emergency.

          • By eqvinox 2025-05-0512:35

            https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/112

            As siblings have commented, 112 and 911 are in the GSM standard. On landlines, only 112 will work in most EU countries (and even that is an EU achievement; e.g. in Switzerland 112 is inconsistent)

          • By detaro 2025-05-0512:26

            AFAIK in mobile networks yes (911 and 112 are specified as emergency numbers in the specs and redirected as needed), not necessarily on landlines.

          • By swiftcoder 2025-05-0512:291 reply

            No, only in a handful of countries, or on US airbases. 112 is your friend in all of Europe

          • By alexpotato 2025-05-0512:54

            This is probably the case now as my original post was referring to a situation about 20 years ago (should have clarified)

          • By Ralfp 2025-05-0512:26

            Depends on country but in Poland where I live calling 911 also reaches emergency dispatch even if „valid” number is 112.

          • By KingOfCoders 2025-05-0512:221 reply

            Why?

          • By Rodeoclash 2025-05-0512:28

            It did in New Zealand in the late 90s

        • By KingOfCoders 2025-05-0512:221 reply

          110 (Police), 112 (Ambulance, Fire Department) in Germany.

          • By bluGill 2025-05-0513:134 reply

            Why are there two different numbers? When there is an emergency you want people to always do the right thing. Guessing the wrong number to call is not the right thing, and worse 2 numbers means there is great chance you didn't memorize either. This is well studied in human factors.

            Besides, anytime the other two are involved the police need to respond too - when there is a fire or medical emergency whoever can get that first can often be very helpful even if they are mostly for a different job. As such this separation seems wrong.

      • By codingbot3000 2025-05-0512:121 reply

        Maybe Germany should have imposed 100% tariff on movies produced in foreign lands :D

        • By szszrk 2025-05-0512:22

          I have a name: call it a "dubbing tax".

      • By tdiff 2025-05-065:59

        Tbh it always wondered me why baseball or american football are so popular in Germany. Looks like a cultural colonisation, but the country seems to be ok with it.

    • By HPsquared 2025-05-0511:552 reply

      Isolationism is a key MAGA tenet. It's not accidental.

      • By gwd 2025-05-0512:132 reply

        MAGA has several mutually exclusive tenets:

        - Isolationism

        - Increase US influence worldwide

        - Exploit US influence worldwide

        Each one will have a negative effect on the other two.

        • By Ralfp 2025-05-0512:29

          Authoritarianism is self-contradictory by design. Supreme leader is to be followed, not understood, so you have to refer to them in doubt.

        • By bluGill 2025-05-0513:131 reply

          MAGA is not a single entity. Different parts of it have different concerns. That is how politics works for better and worse.

          • By gwd 2025-05-0519:31

            Sure, but it seems there are references to incompatible goals within the Project 2025 document, which is meant to be a unified goal document.

            For instance, one goal was that "The United States must regain its role as the 'Arsenal of Democracy'... the United States built its reputation as a reliable partner with a strong defense industrial base that could supply military articles and goods in a timely manner."

            But as explained in the video below, "The last three months have seen the worst damage to that reputation since the post-WWII order came into force."

            The video is worth watching: it does bring out a lot of what you're talking about (different parts w/ different concerns), and does actually make sense of a lot of what Trump is saying and doing wrt Ukraine and NATO. I do find it preferable that the administration has rational goals which are simply not compatible with each other, than that they're behaving completely randomly.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDSz62i6F3Q

      • By echelon 2025-05-0512:092 reply

        This is actually surprisingly a pro-union move by Trump.

        If you aren't aware, they've shipped most IATSE jobs to Serbia since 2023.

        They used to shoot most Disney and Netflix shows in LA and Atlanta. Now they're happening in Eastern Europe. They fly the cast out and film with crews that don't have labor laws or unions and that are an order of magnitude cheaper.

        IATSE members have been forced to leave the industry, sell their homes, and move out of California. There are a few holdouts, but it's likely they'll have to exit the industry too.

        Once that capacity goes, it'll never come back.

        Studios are sitting vacant. CBRE is going to come in and turn them all into office parks and mixed use.

        • By viraptor 2025-05-0512:15

          Yet the budgets keep going up and the "all movies make a loss" accounting continues. What are the chances the consumer will see any savings or the crew will see any raises?

        • By ta20240528 2025-05-0512:253 reply

          IATSE = International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE)

          None of them expected the "I" bit to be used? Ever?

          • By SpicyLemonZest 2025-05-0513:31

            In American labor unions, “international” generally means “US and Canada”.

          • By troupo 2025-05-0515:33

            It's the same as World Series in the US :)

          • By xethos 2025-05-0513:57

            The hope is the "A" plays a role there too though

    • By Spooky23 2025-05-0512:251 reply

      You have to remember that the MAGA movement is a cult of personality with a bunch of weirdos ginning up stupid and naive people.

      Thats it. The attack is the strategy. Burn some stuff down and move on.

      • By motorest 2025-05-0513:511 reply

        > You have to remember that the MAGA movement is a cult of personality with a bunch of weirdos ginning up stupid and naive people.

        I think it's more pernicious than that. The whole MAGA movement has a rather obvious accelerationist agenda, which leads to self-destructive policies like dismantling basic social safety nets and eliminating basic state institutions. Their policies don't make sense to anyone outside of their cult because we presume the goal is to build upon the state institutions and improve upon what's already there, whereas the MAGA crowd applauds destroying everything down to fundamental rights such as the right to a fair trial. They want to see te world burn hoping they'll be able to rebuild it to their liking. The only members of the MAGA that so far voiced regrets are those who faced the fact that they themselves were being left behind.

        • By ryandrake 2025-05-0515:482 reply

          Yea, that's fatal mistake that the (D) side keeps making: They assume that both sides have good intentions and are trying to make the world better, and that we simply disagree about what "better" means, and about methods, priorities and principles.

          MAGA reminds me of That One Guy we all knew in High School who just wanted to cause trouble, start fights, insult people, light fires in the bathroom, destroy things, and basically grief anyone who encountered him. There's no good intentions here--no aim to make things better for everyone. It was just ABCD with that guy: anger, belligerence, cruelty, and defiance. Fast forward to today, and we've got 70M+ of these guys voting.

          • By bloopernova 2025-05-0516:00

            We're all standing on top of a Jenga tower, and "that guy" thinks it would be fun to knock out blocks underneath us.

          • By busyant 2025-05-0520:03

            > MAGA reminds me of That One Guy we all knew in High School

            I knew one of those guys. Obviously I thought he was dangerous but figured he was too crude to get far in life.

            he's now a maga congressman from Texas

    • By g9yuayon 2025-05-0518:03

      I actually think the intention of the tariff here is to bring jobs back to the American filming industry - not that I agree with this approach. Just an assessment of mine. But speaking of cultural influence, I think something interesting has been happening.

      > that doesn’t change the fact that Hollywood projects American culture around the world in a way that the government could never do itself

      I'll all for the "soft power" of the US, including cultural influence. Just wanted to point out that things have been changing slowly. More and more people started to be more credulous about Hollywood's values. Case in point, Blank Panther won Oscar, yet it was widely criticized in China and its box office in China was miserable. Below is the translation of a popular criticism of Black Panther:

      Imagine you made a movie about China, kind of like Black Panther. In it, China is this isolated country with crazy-advanced technology, way ahead of the rest of the world. But instead of a modern government, it's run by tribal warlords—each one basically a dictator. To choose their top leader, they fight each other with knives and spears on top of the Forbidden City.

      In your story, Chinese people still do foot binding like it’s totally normal. The elite chieftains live in ridiculous luxury inside the imperial palace. Their medicine is so advanced it’s basically magic—people come back from the dead—and they’ve got levitating trains that look like they’re from another planet.

      But regular folks? They live in grass huts, spend their days feeding rhinos (or maybe pandas), and there are barely any roads in the whole country.

      Then you take this movie to China and tell everyone it’s a tribute to Chinese culture? People would be so insulted, they might actually beat you up.

    • By echelon 2025-05-0511:586 reply

      I was actually shocked by this tariff. It's a pro-union, pro-labor, classic progressive move.

      If you haven't been following what's happening with film production, basically production has moved from LA, Atlanta, New York, etc. to cheap countries in Eastern Europe and Asia.

      A vast majority of IATSE film crew productions have now vacated the US. It's decimated the local film crew workforce and forced many to leave the industry entirely.

      I wrote more about it here:

      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43893915

      The film crew folks post a lot about it on Reddit, especially in the /r/film industry(city) subreddits:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/FilmIndustryLA/comments/1k39cod/the...

      • By troupo 2025-05-0512:22

        You're assuming anything in this was planned, designed, premeditated.

        It wasn't.

        He's going to flip-flop on this 15 times in the next three months while studios (and other industries) go into hibernation waiting until something (or anything) stabilizes.

      • By detaro 2025-05-0512:02

        Pro-union right until the point where the studios go whining to him about exactly that.

      • By csomar 2025-05-0512:351 reply

        Can you actually provide numbers? like how many of the movies that used or should have been shot in the US were off-shored abroad? A bit of a "cheap" research but deepseek did search the top 10 grossing movies of 2025; and all of them except one were shot in the US.

      • By croes 2025-05-0512:001 reply

        Imagine the costs of any blockbuster if it’s made in the US only

        • By echelon 2025-05-0512:045 reply

          They used to do all principal photography for half of all Marvel films in Atlanta. The industry has almost completely pulled out in just the past three years.

          We had a booming, absolutely thriving industry for nearly two decades. People moved from LA to be here. We built hundreds of studios and sound stages. Now they're sitting empty.

          Everyone is going to Serbia now. IATSE folks are having to leave the industry entirely.

          • By troupo 2025-05-0515:30

            > Everyone is going to Serbia now.

            Here's a quote for you:

            --- start quote ---

            “Labour unions contend that between 35 and 50 percent of feature films turned out by American producers are made abroad,” the New York Times reported on October 4 1959 as the volume of what were then called “runaway productions” began to soar.

            --- end quote ---

            Notice the year.

            Hollywood has been running away from California for over 70 years. Your obsession with Serbia completely ignores that all of Europe is used for movie and TV productions, and Serbia is just the latest addition: https://issuu.com/thelatesteditionishereandfreetoview/docs/c...

    • By peder 2025-05-0512:082 reply

      This tariff isn't an attack on Hollywood. This helps actors and staff in the Hollywood area.

      • By vanjajaja1 2025-05-0512:143 reply

        its very likely to cause reciprocal tariffs though, and exports of Hollywood way out weigh the imports of foreign films

        • By ecocentrik 2025-05-0513:04

          And it will very likely lead to issues with financing films. Many films these days are shot in multiple locations and use foreign financing, tax breaks and subsidies, sometimes accepting funds from multiple countries.

        • By peder 2025-05-0512:543 reply

          There are big issues with foreign cinema. We still have a lot of structural advantages in the US to producing films. Production has shifted to other countries because of significant tax incentives. These tax incentives are a way that other countries are frankly not playing fair.

          The bottom line for me is that we shouldn't simply accept that films should all be filmed in Canada, Australia, the UK, or elsewhere. Hollywood has been the epicenter of creative jobs in this country for a century, and we should try to preserve it.

        • By mensetmanusman 2025-05-0512:163 reply

          There already are tarrifs and bans against Hollywood in many countries.

      • By motorest 2025-05-0512:342 reply

        > This tariff isn't an attack on Hollywood. This helps actors and staff in the Hollywood area.

        Does it, though? I mean, the Trump administration is only making it more expensive for theaters to screen non-US movies. Are you going to even bother going to a cinema if the movie you wanted to see isn't made available? And how dominant are non-US productions in US cinemas?

        It sounds like more tarrif bullshit,where the only output is lose-lose.

        • By jaimebuelta 2025-05-0512:551 reply

          Most top movies last year [1] were shot outside of the US. Excluding animation movies, of course. I understand that the idea is “medium/long term” to move production to Hollywood area, but the short term impact can be massive.

          [1] “Deadpool and Wolverine”, “Wicked” and “Beetlejuice Beetlejuice” in London, “Dune part 2” in Budapest and Italy, “Godzilla x Kong” in Australia. Only “Twisters” was filmed in the US.

        • By mike_hearn 2025-05-0512:41

          The distinction here isn't US vs non-US movies, it's where they're produced. A lot of Hollywood output is produced outside the US now to escape the unions, to benefit from cheaper non-US workers and to benefit from tax breaks. These are American movies funded and written by Americans, but the bulk of the production staff aren't from there.

          From the first paragraph of the article:

          Donald Trump on Sunday announced on his Truth Social platform a 100% tariff on all movies “produced in Foreign Lands”, saying the US film industry was dying a “very fast death” due to the incentives that other countries were offering to draw American film-makers.

          That is correct. Other countries are gutting Hollywood because Hollywood has become a hard place to make things. To pick a random example, the TV show Silo by Apple TV is made in the UK, not America, and the lead actress is Swedish. It's set in the USA, based on a story by an American author and produced by Apple but it's not made there.

          This move is bad news for the UK and other countries that have built up a successful film industry but don't have the capital depth to fund big budget films, even with access to the US market. Now they lose access to US funding and can't easily export their films to the US either, assuming it goes through.

    • By melenaboija 2025-05-0512:093 reply

      I don't think they understand the damage all of this is doing to brand America.

      Since the first Trump administration, young people in Western Europe have increasingly lost their idealization of the United States. I'm 43 and moved to the US ten years ago and I feel like I'm part of the last generation that still wanted to move here. Highly qualified people I know in Europe no longer even consider coming here.

      • By ulfw 2025-05-0513:46

        I'm a similarly aged European who studied, worked, lived in the States for a decade and moved out for good ten years ago, abandoned my Green Card and never looked back. The world is a big beautiful place. Much bigger and more important and diverse than the US. More free nowadays too.

      • By mensetmanusman 2025-05-0512:18

        When American workers are forced to compete with slaves or vastly unsafe workplaces, something was going to break.

      • By echelon 2025-05-0512:122 reply

        Everyone in this thread is reading surface level media summaries.

        This is 1000% pro-union.

        IATSE workers have been decimated by the move of productions to Serbia since 2023.

        LA and Atlanta film productions have all but collapsed since the offshoring of production. Serbian crews work without unions for much cheaper than local IATSE members.

        This is designed to save IATSE and domestic American production.

        • By viraptor 2025-05-0512:361 reply

          Is it pro union, or does it happen to just match union's interests today? I've not seen him mention unions explicitly, neither in search nor perplexity. He did mention Hollywood finance, but whether he ment helping the workers or helping some studio owner by that is not clear to me. With the current track record of what's dismantled, I'm not sure he cares about IATSE at all. His explanation of the reasons mentions lots of other things though.

        • By Spooky23 2025-05-0512:321 reply

          Since when does the MAGA crowd give a hoot about unions?

          The studios are dying. I go to the movies every week when there are movies. Other than Minecraft, the biggest crowd I’ve seen was the Star Wars re-release.

    • By ecocentrik 2025-05-0512:531 reply

      Hollywood made a few anti-fascist, anti-Nazi exploitation movies last year with big name actors and directors. The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare and Freaky Tales are two that stand out. Hollywood is pro queer, pro minority and pro free speech. MAGA hates it all and would happily destroy it. It's not stupid, it's their vision for the country and they want to project that vision to the rest of the world. They don't want the world to think of the US as an inviting place where anyone can pursue the American dream, where the government fights for the rights of the downtrodden, politically oppressed and abused and acts like the global stabilizing hand exchanging trade for peace and prosperity. For the MAGA faithful, those days are over, the country is full and it's time to reestablish Anglo-Christian dominance. Their game plan is economic and political isolation, the erosion of democracy and the end of the global unity narrative.

      Cutting off Hollywood from its funding sources is part of the plan. MAGA controlled states cancelled tax breaks and subsidies for film/tv production years ago, in some cases torpedoing billions in investment in new studios. This isn't a new strategy, this is the amplification of an existing strategy.

    • By bicepjai 2025-05-1014:38

      I completely agree-growing up, I admired the values I saw in American movies. It might sound amusing, but shaping young minds through film has been a key way the United States built its global influence. Hollywood movies have long served as powerful vehicles for transmitting American customs, ideals, and cultural values to audiences around the world

    • By matthewdgreen 2025-05-0512:29

      Maybe the mistake here is to assume that MAGA shares those traditionally “American” values.

      But I presume that the major effect of this tariff will be to force large media conglomerates (aka news agencies) to think very carefully about how their news divisions cover Trump.

    • By xnx 2025-05-089:27

      On TikTok there's a minor trend of exchange students being in awe of the typical US high school experience: yellow school buses, lockers, football games with cheerleaders, prom, etc.

    • By xk_id 2025-05-066:36

      It’s crazy how blunt and unapologetic American imperialists are about their tactics and selfish motives. Hello and good morning.

    • By tdiff 2025-05-066:02

      If we end up with less american culture spread around the world, would it be net positive for everyone else?

    • By roenxi 2025-05-0512:291 reply

      The frame that MAGA has embraced (its in the name itself) is that the policy of the last however long time has failed. I haven't seen the pitch for how having the reserve currency is helping them, and I doubt spreading Hollywood culture has helped them either. Hollywood culture superficially appears to hate them with a passion and wants to see them silenced or (depending on who these "MAGA people" are) arrested.

      • By exe34 2025-05-0512:41

        In other words, the first A in MAGA stands for MAGA, not America.

    • By gaugefield 2025-05-0514:56

      Yeap, as example, I enjoy Seinfeld and the office (US version) than many of the comedy series in my own country.

    • By alganet 2025-05-0513:34

      That brings a fascinating question. What cultures the USA emulated?

    • By carlosjobim 2025-05-0521:58

      > Hollywood projects American culture

      Isn't it the other way around? American culture was dictated by Hollywood, and the rest of the world mistook it for real American culture?

    • By potato3732842 2025-05-0511:511 reply

      The MAGA crowd is happy to throw out the ability to project useful stuff globally if it makes hollywood stop projecting what they consider divisive stuff domestically and are willing to throw out the foreign aspect if need be.

      They're not stupid (well they might be, but that's beside the point), they're just in such fundamental disagreement with you that it's possible to squint and assess the situation as "yup, they're stupid" (and frankly that's a lot more comforting of an assessment).

      Film production has been moving steadily overseas chasing cheap labor. By forcing some of it back or forcing it to stay put it makes that industry and the people in it a little more dependent upon government, a little more dependent upon isolationist economic policy, a little more inclined to stay in the government's good graces (i.e. less likely to create stuff the .gov doesn't like), etc, etc, even if it kneecaps the ability of the overall industry to perform globally.

      Edit: I shouldn't have to say this but none of the above should be construed as an endorsement of a) high tariffs or b) increased government control of media)

      • By RIMR 2025-05-0511:581 reply

        I get what you're saying, but still, it is all very stupid, especially the part where they want to censor ideas they don't like domestically...

    • By anonu 2025-05-0511:462 reply

      I think thats exactly the point though. There is a perception that "left wing ideals" are represented in art and media and that this must end. This explains the executive order to defund NPR and PBS last week.

      • By johannes1234321 2025-05-0512:07

        Right. Just like other "strong" regimes do and did: Entertainment is a key vehicle for injecting values into society and forming it. Way more subtle than schools and public speeches can do. Important to control it, if you want to keep your power long term.

      • By jasonjayr 2025-05-0511:526 reply

        But isn't this the "free market" at play?

        Media with so-called "leftist" themes tend to do well commercially than "rightist" themes, so Hollywood just follows the money?

        • By mort96 2025-05-0511:551 reply

          MAGA is not a free market fundamentalist movement. The old-school neoconservative Republicans are no longer in charge of the party.

        • By redeux 2025-05-0511:56

          The MAGA movement doesn’t believe in the idea of a free market. Tariffs are a prime example of that. What they want is control and subservience.

        • By Spooky23 2025-05-0512:33

          MAGA are fascist. The heavy base of voter support is from religious zealots.

        • By faku812 2025-05-0511:592 reply

          Snow White is evidence the money is not what they follow.

        • By hdivider 2025-05-0512:05

          Not sure why you're being downvoted because your points are accurate. Ultra nationalist propaganda wouldn't sell well internationally compared to e.g. Star Wars.

          And the current administration does at least purport to follow free market principles. It's just all principles can go out the window for them because <insert word salad>, for whatever advances their own power.

        • By watwut 2025-05-0515:41

          Yes and no, most people will happily watch movies with gays in them and those without gays.

          For decades gays were not allowed and their presence caused blowbacks. It was called free market, despite there being literal rules preventing their presence. Likewise, non whites or women in leading roles - they were not in them, because Hollywood was conservative business in this sense. It took a lot of advocacy for the change to happen.

          Right wing hates them, most people just watch those movies and are not weirded out anymore about women having lead action role or whatever. And right wing hopes to revert it back.

    • By 0xAFFFF 2025-05-0512:061 reply

      Trump has proven time and time again that he didn't understand soft power.

      • By jzb 2025-05-0512:122 reply

        I wish people would stop with the “Trump doesn’t understand $thing” stuff.

        It doesn’t matter whether Trump understands $thing. Pretending that he’s acting in good faith to make things better, but is somehow failing because he doesn’t get X, Y, or Z falls right into the trap. He’s trying to destroy American “soft power”. It doesn’t interest him.

        Neither does a good economy, schools, NATO, etc. All of these things are being destroyed or mangled on purpose.

        • By enaaem 2025-05-069:00

          When a ruler does something that seems illogical, it's most often times meant to consolidate internal power. That being said, I often find Trump's moves to be bizarre even in that light. At least try to look good, but he seems to be do everything to look bad. Even MAGA fans have a hard time coping:

          "It's just temporary pain"

          "We need to consume less"

          "I don't understand tariffs"

        • By ringeryless 2025-05-0512:37

          OTOH, trump is not very clever, and IS rather infantile. its sufficient to allege that forces that seek to destabilize American power likely aided Trump financially and he is proving a good investment. the term is "useful idiot" IIRC

    • By plemer 2025-05-0512:36

      Only stupid if you believe Trump is trying to strengthen the US

    • By voidspark 2025-05-084:09

      You don't get it. The tariffs are intended to PROTECT Hollywood.

      Local US film industry is dying because it's all offshored.

      I live in a country that is leeching off the US film industry with subsidies. Our country benefits at the expense of American jobs.

    • By BergAndCo 2025-05-0617:40

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    • By earthcreed 2025-05-0511:448 reply

      You do understand this is a move to protect Hollywood, Right? It is for the very reasons you cited.

      • By willvarfar 2025-05-0511:542 reply

        The modern popularist says exactly the opposite to what they mean. Again and again. They talk about freedom as they remove it, free speech as they suppress it, the arts as they defund it, manufacturing as they gut it etc. And all this while claiming a state of emergency and necessary for national security.

        • By WesolyKubeczek 2025-05-0512:19

          For security reasons, you are required to write down your passwords in the password journal at the entrance desk.

        • By rubyfan 2025-05-0512:08

          I’ve applied a heuristic in my life to not trust anyone who promotes “transparency”. It sounds counterintuitive but in my experience this is just a tool of attack allowing them insinuate a scheme or conspiracy is at play and then to twist the narrative to what they want. Don’t trust them, trust me I’m transparent.

      • By brookst 2025-05-0511:492 reply

        By “protect” you mean “roll back to the 1950’s”, righ? Because Hollywood today was doing quite well and I don’t think I’ve heard a single industry source asking for this.

        IMO the other shoe here is stronger content restrictions and more government control of what gets made. Easier to do that with US productions, hence the attempt to make everything distributed in the US a US production.

        • By jparishy 2025-05-0511:591 reply

          Who isn't asking for something to bring more production home? Studio execs? People in LA, ATL, etc want to work, and every year there is less and less jobs below the line in the US, even though there's more productions overall paid for by US companies. This sentiment you're talking about is at least not universal

        • By Hard_Space 2025-05-0512:24

          >Because Hollywood today was doing quite well and I don’t think I’ve heard a single industry source asking for this.

          Unless the new edict excludes farming out VFX. The VFX industry has been on its knees for years now, in a race to the bottom that has made r/vfx a pretty depressing place.

          (Source: Spent the last few years working for a well-known VFX company)

      • By _aavaa_ 2025-05-0511:46

        In the domestic market maybe, but I think their point is that it will severely hurt Hollywood abroad.

      • By realusername 2025-05-0512:00

        Protect Hollywood from what? It's the top movie industry in the world, the only way to go from there is going down.

      • By artemisart 2025-05-0512:021 reply

        But do you understand it will harm Hollywood? This is the economic, country scale equivalent of saying "fuck your movies", do you think the answer will be "oh sorry, I'll keep buying yours" or "fuck your movies too"?

        • By kjksf 2025-05-0512:393 reply

          It will reduce the profit margins of Hollywood studios. Maybe reduce the bonuses of their CEO.

          It'll help thousands of Americans that used to be employed by said studios but were fired not because they couldn't do the job but because the greed of studio execs made them move production outside of the US, playing financial arbitrage games against the interest of the US.

          Trump is trying to reverse this by making movies outside of the US, especially by US companies, more expensive. The goal here is not some statement about Hollywood but to bring movie production jobs back to US. The extras, the people who build sets, people who make food for actors etc. And jobs bring tax revenue and grow GDP, which helps every american.

      • By myvoiceismypass 2025-05-0515:061 reply

        He actually cited it being a National Security threat

        • By tremon 2025-05-068:54

          Everything is a national security threat, because it's an argument-terminating escape. As soon as you play the national security card, you don't have to explain yourself any further because obviously the real reasons can't be disclosed because of National Security (tm).

      • By mensetmanusman 2025-05-0512:19

        It protects the poor in Hollywood, not the rich.

      • By nobody9999 2025-05-0513:32

        >You do understand this is a move to protect Hollywood, Right?

        Protect Hollywood from who, exactly? IIUC, an increasing number of "American" movies (i.e., those produced/financed by American studios) are being filmed outside the US.

        This isn't a bunch of foreign film makers ganging up on poor, beleaguered film companies like Disney, Paramount and Neflix.

        They, of course, are going to go out of business any minute now because those evil foreigners are taking away their movies. /s

        No. Those very profitable studios are choosing to make movies outside the US to bolster those high profits by reducing labor, physical plant and safety expenditures.

        As such, how is charging Hollywood studios 100% tariffs to import the movies those same studios paid to make "protecting" Hollywood?

        Don't mistake the above for my support of Hollywood studios. They are the OG rapacious scumbags that the SV tech bros are trying (and sometimes succeeding) in emulating.

    • By snkzxbs 2025-05-0514:20

      The difference is that decades ago all movies were about how good and just the US was and now everything Hollywood produces is movies that tell that the US is the devil and other generic progressive slop. Is that really the image the US wants to project to the world?

  • By pluc 2025-05-0510:475 reply

    Defund education then defund culture. Sounds exactly like America First/America Only. Next up is propaganda and filling Americans' minds with only what he wants you to know. He can flood the media as he's been flooding the government, all the pieces are in play.

    Still nobody putting up a meaningful fight. Your window is closing.

    • By Aeolun 2025-05-0511:395 reply

      Look to Idiocracy for a documentary of what happens if this keeps going unchecked?

      • By stingraycharles 2025-05-0511:412 reply

        Gatorade to water the plants? Not a far fetch from injecting bleach to cure Covid.

        • By nwienert 2025-05-069:20

          The injecting bleach thing was just loosely worded, but it was technically based on a real study and fine.

          Actually, ironically, you end up being wrong here, though in less of an Idiocracy way and more of a Orwellian "news propaganda machine tricked you" way.

        • By almostgotcaught 2025-05-0511:441 reply

          And removing fluoride from the water

      • By jameskilton 2025-05-0511:421 reply

        Who would have guessed that Idiocracy was an optimistic look at our possible future...

        • By bilbo0s 2025-05-0512:36

          It sounds like a lot of people are kind of missing the mark a bit on what happened here in the US.

          I mean:

          Next up is propaganda and filling Americans' minds with only what he wants you to know

          No. "Propaganda and filling Americans' minds with only what he wants you to know" is what happened first using the internet to radicalize those without the wisdom to have seen this outcome.

          And Idiocracy may not be so much an optimistic look at our future as the conservatives continue to implement their policies, as it is a cynical look at the results that conservatives implementing their policies have had on our present.

          And things can get so much worse.

      • By FirmwareBurner 2025-05-0511:431 reply

        It's worse than that. In the movie Idiocracy, they were searching for the smartest man alive to put him in charge to fix things. That's not what governments are doing now.

        • By blooalien 2025-05-0512:091 reply

          Nope. They just put the dumbest man alive in charge of an entire nation, and cheer him on every time he proclaims himself the smartest man alive.

      • By TechDebtDevin 2025-05-0512:02

        Just rewatched this for thr first time in a decade the other day. I have some serious concerns lmao

      • By timdiggerm 2025-05-0511:493 reply

        You may have missed that Idiocracy is a pro-eugenics film, in which the populace got stupider by way of being fecund. It's not about this problem, really.

        • By rapind 2025-05-0511:581 reply

          > You may have missed that Idiocracy is a pro-eugenics film

          I kinda see how you got there, but man.

          This is the same guy behind Office Space and Bevis and Butthead. He's poking fun at out of touch intellectuals and consumption. Calling it pro-eugenics though...

        • By potato3732842 2025-05-0511:58

          Idiocracy is only pro eugenics in the same way that any piece of comedy that criticizes anything or takes something to the extreme can be construed as being for the opposite thing.

    • By solumunus 2025-05-0510:487 reply

      What would a meaningful fight look like?

      • By lm28469 2025-05-0511:491 reply

        idk man last time France raised the gas price by like 10% people were in the streets every weekend for a year, often blocking highways, warehouses, at its peak ~3 million people were in the streets, they got so close to Macron's castle he had his helicopter prepared to flee the capital

        It ended up with 11 deaths, thousands of injured, thousands of people were arrested hundreds went to jail. Look at Serbia, Greece, damn even Turkey seems to put a better fight lol

        https://www.ledauphine.com/france-monde/2018/12/13/gilets-ja...

        • By viraptor 2025-05-0512:472 reply

          Although the precise numbers are uncertain, the Hands Off protests have definitely crossed 2M in the US already. We'll see if they stop or not.

      • By pluc 2025-05-0510:591 reply

        Look at Georgia, look at Serbia, look at the Arab Spring. Look at your constitution! There is a part in there about resistance to oppression you seem to only use to defend the wrong things.

        • By adamors 2025-05-0511:511 reply

          Did you look at Georgia and Serbia yourself? Protests have been ongoing for months, government doesn't care.

      • By hagbarth 2025-05-0511:055 reply

        Impeachment. There have been multiple clearly impeachable offences by the current administration. The congress GOP should take responsibility for getting the US out of this.

        • By redeux 2025-05-0511:211 reply

          Let’s be honest, that’s not a realistic solution. The GOP is completely onboard with what he’s doing, so suggesting they take care of it is just admitting defeat.

        • By lossolo 2025-05-0513:22

          He tweeted yesterday that they want to impeach him again, that he wants to remove Democratic congressmen from Congress for "crimes" they committed, and that the GOP should handle it.

        • By squigz 2025-05-0511:351 reply

          For those replying who think this isn't an option - what precisely is the end-game in your mind?

          Edit: I'd be interested to hear why the downvotes. I'm genuinely curious about this, because a lot of people seem to think that a) Congress is useless, and b) half the population of America is stupid, and so I'm just curious how you see America moving forward, or even if you do at all?

        • By mopenstein 2025-05-0511:191 reply

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        • By ujkhsjkdhf234 2025-05-0511:273 reply

          The GOP is completely mask off and is fine with Trump turning the country into Mussolini Italy if it means they get a seat at the table. They are traitors and I hope every one of them has their day in The Hague.

      • By jpambrun 2025-05-0511:54

        If this happened here in Canada, I would go to weekly protests against this administration. When I was younger I went to dozens of daily protest for something insignificant in comparison [1] and it did lead to a change of gouvernement.

        [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Quebec_student_protests

      • By investa 2025-05-0511:38

        Look at Spain right now. Not sure I agree with the anti tourism cause but man they know how to cause a fuss.

      • By perlgeek 2025-05-0511:102 reply

        General strike, for example.

        • By Symbiote 2025-05-0511:32

          HN employees of X, Tesla, SpaceX (etc), Meta, Alphabet and other tech businesses supporting Trump could also strike or threaten to strike to pressure their owners/boards.

        • By pjc50 2025-05-0511:581 reply

          Those are incredibly hard to organize.

          It's going to be a long slow process of firstly making sure that all Democrats are actually anti-Trump through primary challenges, then trying to ensure a D sweep in the mid-term elections. I don't think there's much chance of anything before then.

      • By grubbs 2025-05-0512:12

        Something like OWS - but outside the Whitehouse?

    • By mensetmanusman 2025-05-0512:201 reply

      It would be interesting to reshuffle the over 10k spent per child. Pods of 10-15 kids could afford PhD level tutors.

      • By Dumblydorr 2025-05-0512:262 reply

        You think a PhD automatically makes someone a better teacher than a school teacher? Shows quite an elitism that assumes knowledge and scholarly ability is the mark of a good teacher. From someone who actually taught in schools, scholarship matters almost zero, classroom management and emotional intelligence are far more important in a school teacher.

        And giving away the money? You’d lose all amenities of a school, the building, its land, the social benefits of school interactions, etc. Most importantly, you lose classroom management of a teacher, and the kids lose out big time.

        A PhD tutor stood in front of determinedly mischevious children, most couldn’t last two weeks.

        • By mensetmanusman 2025-05-061:51

          It could certainly be an option for some people. You could have navy seals for the kids who want to master outdoors, music themed experts etc. not one size fits all, but unlimited options.

    • By rapind 2025-05-0511:491 reply

      While I'm certainly no where even adjacent to a Trump supporter, the idea of preventing studios (rich people) from sidestepping local unions (working people), plus the crazy tax incentives we give them by producing their movies up here in Canada isn't as polarizing an idea as you think.

      If the sky is falling on everything he does, and you're wrong some of the time, then people will stop listening. There's plenty that this administration has done that is objectively horrible.

    • By voidspark 2025-05-0511:203 reply

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      • By Yoric 2025-05-0511:271 reply

        For context, much of the research that led to microprocessor came from outside the US. In particular, the invention of silicon gates comes from Italy.

        I don't think that there is much risk of foreign researchers moving to the US in the current climate.

        • By voidspark 2025-05-0511:401 reply

          The integrated circuit was invented in Texas and Silicon Valley, California.

      • By fofoz 2025-05-0511:281 reply

        The italian Federico Faggin invented the microprocessor at Intel. He studied physics at Padua University in Italy.

      • By zemnl 2025-05-0511:321 reply

        In addition to the other comments pointing out how your "Americans invented microprocessors" is wrong,

        > [Americans] landed on the moon without a federal Department of Education

        maybe you should check what the budget for NASA was during the space race and what it is now, considering also the news from 3 days ago about further budget cuts to the Agency.

        • By voidspark 2025-05-0511:34

          I’m not wrong. It’s called Silicon Valley for a reason

          Since the DoE was established, education has only declined versus the rest of the world. America spends more money for less.

  • By jaimebuelta 2025-05-0511:443 reply

    Not sure I follow.

    Biggest real action movie last year was “Deadpool & Wolverine”, a Disney movie which was shot in UK and made a bit over 50% of its revenue overseas[1]. Its main stars were Canadian and Australian. Does this mean that you’ll have to pay double to go watch it to cinemas in the US? Will that make Disney to focus on the international market?

    [1] https://the-numbers.com/movie/Deadpool-and-Wolverine-(2024)

    • By JeremyNT 2025-05-0512:561 reply

      This guy is obviously senile, so it's pointless to even try to analyse this.

      What did he mean when he said this? Who knows - he probably doesn't even remember himself.

      What will the resulting policy, if any, actually be? His advisors were probably hearing it for the first time just like the rest of us.

    • By DeusExMachina 2025-05-0512:003 reply

      Since it's about movies produced overseas, I don't think the nationality of the actors or the overseas revenue counts.

      But it probaby counts that it was shot in the UK. The reason why Disney does that is because they get tax breaks from the UK government, which I think it's what Trump is referring to.

      • By dom96 2025-05-0512:142 reply

        So let me get this straight... he's not happy with the UK because of VAT (value added tax) and he's also not happy with the UK because of tax breaks?

        Amazing.

        • By JCharante 2025-05-0512:41

          I think there's a big difference between VAT for consumer goods and cities providing big incentives for filming there. I'm not giving an opinion on whether they're good or bad, just saying that they're very different and I don't think they should be compared.

        • By kjksf 2025-05-0512:573 reply

          Both are harming US jobs.

          VAT is bad for US because a car made in US is 22% more expensive when sold in UK than a car made in UK sold in US. VAT makes it harder for US car company to sell in UK. It reduces number of US jobs making cars.

          UK giving tax breaks to US companies also reduces number of US jobs because a catering business in Los Angeles loses a job to a catering business in London. So does a carpenter, an extra etc.

          It's all simple to understand, consistent and frankly very leftist.

      • By HelloNurse 2025-05-0512:161 reply

        There will be exceptions and loopholes for friends, like e.g. for Tesla cars.

        • By Justsignedup 2025-05-0512:33

          This. This is it.

          Now Disney will have to bow down and kiss the ring or their us incomes will fail. Make it too expensive to not bow down.

          That's how this works. I'll make doing business too painful for you unless you cater to my will. So surrender.

          Well......... Let's see if the gambit will pay off.

      • By jaimebuelta 2025-05-0512:451 reply

        The overseas revenue is important as companies will need to prioritise markets. They don’t want to choose, but if they have to, they’ll prefer to keep 60% of the revenue over 40%. Assuming some sort of reciprocal actions, the risk is making Hollywood “less American”.

        • By DeusExMachina 2025-05-0513:04

          Reciprocal actions are not going to affect the whole 60%.

          I assume there are very few locations like the UK that are going to be significantly hit by the tarifs and might react with countermeasures that will affect only a small part of the overseas revenue.

    • By jagermo 2025-05-0512:27

      I am not sure they know worth of soft power or how to use it. It's fascinating to watch.

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