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By andrei_says_ 2025-06-028:122 reply From what I know, Ibugaine is a part of a healing tradition. Generations of people working with the plant and learning from the experience, and passing it on.
Just administering the plant may be helpful but likely lacks an important component.
Medicine rooted in lineage and mastery is not possible to commercialize. One cannot buy “sacred”.
I don't think you understood the point. You can get the effects of the plant by consuming the plant. But you don't necessarily get the effects ot the ritual, even by participating in the ritual. See how much of a difference religious ceremonies can have on the believers vs non-believers.
It's not just the spiritual side either. Traditional knowledge is also about stuff like exactly how much to use, how to prepare it, what to use it with (and not to use it with), what time of day, beneficial activities before and after, and so on. The human body is a complex system where all of these things cause complex interactions that can influence efficacy. Traditional medicinal use is full of these kinds of 'full package' treatments, a lot of which is lost when you just bottle some ingredient.
By lurk2 2025-06-0216:32 > Traditional knowledge is also about stuff like exactly how much to use, how to prepare it, what to use it with (and not to use it with), what time of day, beneficial activities before and after, and so on.
You are describing conventional medical science, the difference being that scientific knowledge is systematized and reproducible while traditional knowledge is not. It’s magical voodoo thinking used by witch doctors who don’t want their processes appropriated (or worse, invalidated) by medical science, exactly like chiropractic or Traditional Chinese “Medicine.”
By cassianoleal 2025-06-0213:25 I think it depends. In Brazil it's common (and lawful) to consume Ayahuasca in certain religious contexts. The biggest religions are Santo Daime and União do Vegetal - both are heavily Christian.
I know personally several people, many of whom hardcore atheists, who have had life-changing experiences taking part of those rituals and many have gone back or made it a regular occurrence. None of them ceased to be hardcore atheists.
By andrei_says_ 2025-06-0215:35 Yes. And in this case consider the ritual a part of the recipe, context, necessary environment for a certain complex healing experience.
Tested and iterated on through the years, and if your worldview allows for the concept of plant consciousness, consider that the steps may have been provided by its suggestion.
If one’s worldview is 100% materialistic, an encounter with some of these plants may change that.
By Synaesthesia 2025-06-026:23 The Ibogaine experience does not sound like much fun. Obvious very valuable and unique substance.
It's also got a really unique looking chemical structure.
> Potentially toxic in high doses, ibogaine can have effects similar to LSD, mescaline or amphetamines
Guess I’ll stick with LSD
LSD and amphetamines basically don’t have the same effect at all. I wonder which one it is.
By hombre_fatal 2025-06-029:101 reply Both keep you from sleeping because they’re heavy stimulants.
By hombre_fatal 2025-06-0214:52 Well, if I did pitch a definition in my comment, it's that it keeps you from sleeping.
By anton-c 2025-06-027:32 Either way mescaline is the one of those that scares me
