How Britain built some of the world’s safest roads

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The death rate per mile driven has declined 22-fold since 1950.

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A century ago, these were the cars on Britain’s roads. Forget driving lessons or tests; to get behind the wheel legally, all you needed was a paper license, which cost the equivalent of around 25 pence today.

Cars had no seatbelts and, of course, no airbags. There were no mirrors to let you see traffic behind. There were no flashing indicators, so your signal to turn left or right was simply sticking your arm out. The brakes were poor, and emergency braking was impossible. Steering was stiff and clunky, and the headlights were weak, making it difficult to see much at night.

Combine this with the lack of pavements for pedestrians, the lack of signs or traffic signals, and the absence of enforced rules, and you can understand why it was a dangerous time to be on the roads.

Throughout the 1920s and ‘30s, between 5,000 and 7,000 people died in road accidents each year.

Fast-forward to today. Around 1,700 people die in road incidents each year in the UK: about a quarter of what it used to be, despite there being 16 times more vehicles on the road and 33 times as many miles driven.

Per mile driven, the death rate declined 22-fold since 1950.

You can see all of this in the chart below.

If road deaths per mile driven were still as high as in 1950, then the UK would not see 1,700 road deaths per year, but 37,000.1

Today, the United Kingdom has some of the lowest road death rates in the world.2 You can see it compared to other countries in the chart.

How did road traffic become so safe in the UK? In this article, I want to journey through the history of policies, norms, and transport innovations that have saved thousands of lives yearly. These lessons help identify what works and what doesn’t, so that other parts of the world can make their roads much safer. Globally, around 1.2 million people die in road accidents every year. Yet this is one of the world’s most overlooked health problems, even though we already know how to prevent many of these deaths.

The United Kingdom has some of the safest roads in the world

Many of the UK’s interventions and policies are reflected in the more general guidance in reports such as those published by the World Bank’s Global Road Safety Facility.3 These reports take a more in-depth look at the policies and interventions that are effective (or not) in reducing road fatalities. They align closely with the lessons I have drawn from Britain’s history.

Anarchy and blackouts: Britain’s roads until the end of World War II

Let’s go back to the period before the Second World War.

Speed limits on Britain’s roads had existed since the early 1900s, but they were rarely enforced, so hardly anyone followed them. In 1930, the government decided that speed limits should be abolished if no one was willing to follow them. The country’s own transport minister, Herbert Morrison, even admitted to ignoring them in parliament:

“… there was not one of their Lordships who observed the speed limit [and] I venture to say that as legislators we are not entitled to enforce and to continue speed limits.”

Just four years later, following concerns about the number of pedestrians killed on busy urban roads, a limit of 30 miles per hour was reintroduced in built-up areas. Road deaths stayed relatively stable throughout the 1930s until the start of the Second World War.

During the first few years of the war, road deaths increased. Mandatory nighttime blackouts prevented cars from using their headlights, and streetlights were turned off completely. The chart shows that pedestrians, especially, were paying with their lives.

As the King’s Surgeon wrote in the British Medical Journal in 1939:

“frightening the nation into blackout regulations, the Luftwaffe was able to kill 600 British citizens a month without ever taking to the air”.

The high risk to pedestrians in the first half of the 20th century was not only true in the UK. The Literary Digest was a weekly magazine in the United States; in the 1920s to 1940s, the humor section often featured jokes about how dangerous cars were to pedestrians.

Here’s one published in the Nashville Banner:

“With so many automobiles, the supply of pedestrians will soon be much short of the demand.”

And another:

TRAFFIC COP: “Hey you! Didn’t you hear me yelling for you to stop?”

AUTO FIEND: “Oh! Was that you yelling? I thought that was just somebody I had run over.”

Cars were becoming increasingly popular, but at the cost of those walking alongside them.

The climb to a post-war peak in the mid-1960s

Over the next few decades, road deaths steadily climbed to their post-war peak in 1966.

But it’d be wrong to conclude that the UK government did little to improve road safety at that time. Fatality rates declined, but this was not enough to offset the rapid rise in the number of cars on the roads and the number of miles being driven.

The chart below shows the change in each indicator from 1950 to 1966: the number of registered vehicles almost tripled, miles driven more than doubled, and deaths increased by just over 50%. That means rates actually went down.

What were some of the policies that successfully limited the number of deaths?

In the footnote, I’ll list a few small interventions for which there is mixed evidence, and instead focus on the larger ones with a more substantial evidence base.4

One of the most important changes during this period was the introduction of motorways (also known as “highways”). Previously, I’d have assumed that motorways were more dangerous than city or other rural roads, because cars drive much faster.

But it’s the opposite. You can see this in the most recent data for the UK, shown in the chart below. If we look at the number of deaths per billion miles driven, we see that motorways are roughly four times safer than urban roads, and more than five times safer than rural roads. This is not specific to the UK: among 24 OECD countries, approximately 5% of road deaths occurred on motorways.5 In almost all countries, it was less than 10%.

The image displays a bar chart comparing road deaths per billion miles driven on rural roads, urban roads, and motorways in Great Britain for the year 2023. The bars are color-coded in brown, with rural roads showing the highest fatality rate at 6.5 deaths per billion miles, followed by urban roads at 4.9 deaths, and motorways with the lowest rate at 1.2 deaths. An annotation indicates that only 5% of road deaths occurred on motorways, even though these roads accounted for 21% of total miles driven. The note at the bottom clarifies that the findings are not exclusively for the UK, mentioning related data from a study covering 24 countries where similar trends were observed. The data source is listed as the UK Department of Transport for the year 2024.

Rural roads are the most dangerous. In 18 countries, more than half of deaths occurred on rural roads, and it was more than two-thirds in Spain, Sweden, Finland, Ireland, and New Zealand.

Motorways are safer for several reasons. First, there are fewer road users — just cars, no pedestrians or cyclists. Second, there are fewer stops and starts. Third, there are usually physical barriers in the middle, separating vehicles traveling in different directions and reducing the risk of head-on collisions, which are much more common on narrow rural roads.

One key to road safety is having well-designed motorway infrastructure. The first motorway in the UK opened in 1958, and the growth of the network since then has saved many lives.

If motorways were the big infrastructural change of the 1950s, roundabouts were the innovation of the 1960s. In 1966, the UK government implemented the “priority rule”, which requires drivers at roundabouts to give priority to vehicles already in the roundabout. This rule continues to this day.

Again, I previously underestimated the importance of roundabouts because I assumed that the high and constant traffic flow might increase the risk of collisions. However, there is good evidence that well-designed roundabout systems make our roads much safer than the alternatives: intersections with stop signs (2-way or 4-way) and traffic light systems.

Studies have found that replacing traditional intersections with roundabouts substantially reduces injuries and deaths from collisions. The magnitude of reduction depends on the context and road conditions beforehand. A study in the US found that the conversion of 24 intersections to roundabouts reduced the number of injury crashes by 76%.6 In Europe, studies have found a 35% to 40% reduction in rates of serious injury crashes, and a reduction in deaths of 50% to 70%.7 A meta-analysis across 44 studies found that converting junctions to roundabouts was associated with a two-thirds reduction of fatal accidents.8

Again, roundabouts are safer for several reasons.

The risk of a side-on or head-on collision is much higher at traffic lights and stop sign interventions. These collisions tend to be much more dangerous and lead to higher fatality rates. On a roundabout, a collision will likely be at a much less severe angle, and head-on collisions are much rarer. Vehicles also tend to travel at higher speeds, especially at traffic light intersections, whereas effective roundabouts force vehicles to slow down. For this reason, roundabouts that are small and do not force cars to drive around them are ineffective because they can effectively drive right through, without slowing down.

Stop-sign intersections — especially 4-way ones — can cause confusion about which vehicles have right-of-way. Finally, both of these road designs force many stop-and-go movements, increasing the likelihood of crashes when drivers brake too late. Roundabouts allow a more continuous flow of traffic.9

While roundabouts reduce risks for drivers, passengers, and pedestrians, the data for cyclists is less clear. There is some evidence that large multi-lane roundabouts actually increase risks compared to traffic light intersections.

The battle against drunk driving

The other major change instigated in the late 1960s was the war against drunk driving.10

Those rates would be unthinkable in Britain today. That’s not just because of the legal ramifications: it’s also no longer socially acceptable to drink and drive. More than 90% of Brits say that drink-driving is unacceptable, and they’d feel ashamed if they got caught.

In a large survey of road users across Europe, around 10% of car drivers in the UK said that they had driven after having at least one drink in the last month. 8% said they drove while being over the legal limit. So drink-driving still happens, but it’s much less normalized than it used to be.

This shift happened through legal actions and public education campaigns.11 In 1967, the UK introduced a drink-driving law, which set an objective and measurable limit for how much alcohol was allowed in someone’s bloodstream. They also introduced breathalyzers and told police to stop and test people liberally. Before 1967, there was a law against drink-driving, but it was vague and hard to enforce. It was illegal to be "under the influence of drink or drugs to such an extent as to be incapable of having proper control of the vehicle", but without a legal limit or standardized testing, police often struggled to prove that someone was impaired due to alcohol, especially in court. This is a clear example of better data measurement having saved many lives.

Over time, the consequences for getting caught increased, including a permanent driving ban, hefty fines, or even jail time for serious offenses.

While the legal consequences were ramping up, the government launched hard-hitting ad campaigns to highlight the suffering that could be caused by drunk driving. Slogans such as “drinking and driving wrecks lives” became well-known. Advertisements where a night out ended with someone’s loved ones being killed increased the stigma of prioritizing one more drink over a person’s life. The evidence suggests that public information campaigns alone produce mixed (and often unimpressive) results, but they can make a real difference when paired with strong enforcement.

This battle has been incredibly successful. In 1967, 1,640 people died in drunk-driving incidents. This has fallen by 82% to roughly 300 per year. As you can see in the chart below, collisions involving drunk drivers have fallen even more quickly than the overall reduction in road collisions.

This reduction matters a lot because drink-driving incidents are particularly fatal. In 2022, just 4% of road collisions involved drunk drivers, but these incidents resulted in 18% of road deaths.12

The rise of motorcycle helmets, seatbelts, and safer cars

Tackling drunk driving helped to reduce the number of collisions, but much of the drop in deaths during the 1980s and 1990s was about protecting drivers and passengers when a vehicle did crash.

This rise in protection within cars was pre-dated by mandatory helmets on motorcycles in 1973. At the time, early data suggested that wearing a helmet dramatically reduced the likelihood of a serious or life-threatening head injury in a motorcycle incident. In the decades since, the evidence for this has only gotten stronger.13 In the US, states with less stringent helmet laws have more head injuries.14 A meta-analysis of studies across Africa suggests that helmet-wearing reduced the risk of a severe head injury by up to 88%.15

A decade later, in 1983, wearing seatbelts in the front seats of vehicles became mandatory. A few years later, belts became mandatory for children in the back seats, and by 1991, it was mandatory for everyone in the car. Like motorcycle helmets, seatbelts make a huge difference to someone’s odds of surviving a crash.16

But it wasn’t just the provision of seatbelts that changed. By the late 1990s, the European New Car Assessment Programme (NCAP) was introduced, spearheaded by the UK. It provided detailed safety assessments and tests for new cars. This programme was voluntary, but vehicles could receive a “safety rating” depending on how well drivers, passengers, and children would be protected during tests such as front-on and side collisions. This meant that people now factored in the safety rating of cars when choosing a new one, and manufacturers had to develop safer cars. Tests also showed the effectiveness of airbags, seatbelts, and “crumple zones” — the parts that absorb energy during a collision to protect occupants.

These innovations made a real difference to the odds that someone would survive a crash. It was during the 1990s and early 2000s that the number of deaths among drivers and passengers fell particularly strongly.

Making roads safer for kids: stricter speed limits and traffic-calmed zones

The most dramatic decline has been the reduction in the number of pedestrians killed on Britain’s roads. Since 1990, pedestrian deaths have fallen by 75% from around 1,600 to 400 per year.

Speed limits have played an incredibly important role, not just for pedestrians on urban roads but for all road users. As the World Bank’s report puts it:

“[...] there are no other risk factors that have such a substantial and pervasive impact on safety as speed. Speed has an impact on both the likelihood of a crash occurring, and severity of the outcome when crashes do occur.”

The relationship between speed and health impacts follows a “power law”: a 5% increase in average speed typically leads to a 10% increase in injury, and a 20% increase in deaths.17

Speed limits should be set based on the most vulnerable road users. They can be higher on motorways because everyone is protected within a vehicle. On urban roads, limits need to be set based on the risks to pedestrians and cyclists. In areas with many children, their vulnerability calls for even stricter limits.

In the late 1990s, the UK introduced 20-mile-per-hour zones around schools. These expanded throughout the 2000s and are now common across the country. Across the board, the enforcement of speed limits has become much tighter. These interventions can be very effective.18 If a pedestrian is hit by a vehicle at or below 20 miles per hour, they have a good chance of surviving. Above this, their chances fall dramatically. A study across 40 cities in Europe found that a 20-mph speed limit reduced the rate of fatalities by 37%.19 In some areas, including cities in the UK, it was as much as 70%.20

Like the war against drunk driving, these legal limits were also accompanied by emotionally visceral public campaigns. I still remember the TV advert I saw several times a week as a child. It featured a young girl, dead at the side of the road, with her voiceover telling drivers: “If you hit me at 40 miles per hour, there’s an 80% chance I’ll die. Hit me at 30, and there’s an 80% chance I’ll live”. These are the types of messages that stay with people and can change behaviors and attitudes.

As a consequence, the drop in child deaths on the UK’s roads has been dramatic. You can see this in the chart below. In 1980, over 600 children were killed. By 2021, this had fallen to less than 50.

The number of children dying on British roads has fallen by over 90% since 1980

Every year, about 1.2 million die on the world’s roads — we know how to bring this number down

A lot has changed since the first British drivers got their cars in the 1920s. The roads are different. The vehicles are different. People’s attitudes to driving are different.

These changes transformed Britain’s roads from chaotic to some of the safest in the world, saving thousands of lives every year.

Worldwide, around 1.2 million people die from road injuries every year. Most of them are in low- and middle-income countries, with much higher road death rates. If every country could lower its rates to those of the UK, Sweden, or Norway, this number would be just under 200,000.21 We’d save one million lives every year.

Learning from the history of how roads became safer would make a massive difference to people's health worldwide. It would mean that hundreds of thousands of parents, children, or partners don’t have to receive the dreaded phone call that their loved one will never come home.

Many thanks to Max Roser, Saloni Dattani, and Edouard Mathieu for their valuable suggestions and feedback on this article.

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  • By philjohn 2025-09-088:318 reply

    Our driving test standards are also high, having spoken with US colleagues, much higher than state-side (although I imagine that varies from state to state).

    The theory test you must pass before taking your practical also now includes a hazard perception test - you are shown multiple videos and must click when you first perceive a hazard - the earlier you click after the hazard presents the higher your score - but if you just click randomly you get a zero.

    Some of them are tricky - for instance, one I remember is a van coming from a side road at too fast a speed, but you can only first see this hazard forming in a reflection of a shop window.

    • By silisili 2025-09-097:441 reply

      I live in the US in a town with particularly bad drivers. I know I know, everyone's area has the worst drivers. But I've lived in dozen cities across the US so have some frame of reference. The sad thing is, it's a small town with what -should- be little traffic.

      It's one of those places there will only be 2 other cars in sight, but they're driving side by side and 10 under the speed limit. And for some reason, everyone seems to just hold down their brake pedal at all times so you can never tell when they're actually slowing. I presume they're driving an automatic with two feet and keep just enough pressure to trigger the brakelights. And everyone, even the Kia Rios, drives in the opposite lane before turning so they can swing wide like a semi. I could go on and on but I digress.

      Anyways, it had been an enigma to me for the last few years since I moved here, until one day I was asked to take a lady to her driving test. Sure, why not.

      The entirety of the 5 minute road test was turning out right onto a sparsely populated 2 lane highway, driving anxiously at 35 in a 55 for a mile or so, then turning around and coming back. Passed. Suddenly, everything made more sense to me.

      And I'm sure this isn't probably even the easiest test nationally, just one I became familiar with recently.

      So yeah, we have absolutely no driving standards.

      • By robertlagrant 2025-09-0910:12

        Wow - if it's a driving test that lets you drive anywhere in the States, then you'd think it'd be a national standard with set manoeuvres and situations to cover.

    • By dotwaffle 2025-09-0822:004 reply

      > also now includes a hazard perception test

      I took my test nearly 25 years ago, and this was present then -- for the avoidance of doubt, the UK test has always been very thorough, though not quite as thorough as those in places like Finland where apparently they have skid pans and similar!

      • By stevekemp 2025-09-097:181 reply

        Makes sense that Finland has such things though, when the roads are covered in snow and ice for a lot of the year.

        Though this year we did good in our capital: "Helsinki has not recorded a single traffic fatality in the past 12 months, city and police officials confirmed this week."

        • By robertlagrant 2025-09-0910:13

          Well done Helsinki! Unless there's a massive problem with police recording practices.

      • By frereubu 2025-09-099:18

        Seems like we were either side of a threshold - I took mine ~35 years ago and the only "theory" test was the examiner asking me three basic questions after the practical test, like "what can lead to skidding" to which the answer was "rapid acceleration, steering or braking". The theory side of things hardly existed essentially.

      • By ninalanyon 2025-09-097:37

        Same in Norway. Skid pans and also motorway driving. The course also includes a piece where the instructor picks a place an hour's drive away and tells the student to get there and demonstrate that they can not only drive under instruction but also plan their own route and react properly to challenges along the way.

      • By bigfudge 2025-09-095:512 reply

        Interestingly, I saw data from a road safety programme for young people that showed skid pan training actually made young men less safe not more, because they became even more overconfident about their ability to “react quickly” if bad things happened. Turns out that a bit of humility and slowing down are the main skills needed to avoid accidents!

        • By ninalanyon 2025-09-097:391 reply

          That's true, on the other hand it made young women safer. This happened in Norway when the skid pan was made a compulsory part of the course a couple of decades ago and the insurance companies soon noticed an increase in reckless driving among young men but the opposite in young women.

          • By throwaway2037 2025-09-0911:29

                > an increase in reckless driving among young men but the opposite in young women
            
            This is fascinating. Does anyone know the root cause here?

        • By hnlmorg 2025-09-096:01

          I’d imagine that differs from county to country. For example the risks of skidding might be higher in Finland due to the colder climate.

          Whereas in the UK, black ice isn’t as common so days when it’s icy, the best advice is just to take it slow and stick to salted routes.

    • By CM30 2025-09-0920:52

      This is probably a huge factor for sure. Both the UK theory and practical tests are somewhat tricky, at least compared to those in places like the US. Many people will fail them the first time around, and a fair few will fail them multiple times.

      The official statistics have a rate of about 40-60% for these tests:

      https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/driving-...

      Though it definitely varies by area:

      https://www.gocompare.com/motoring/reports-statistics/drivin...

      It's closer to a school exam in terms of difficulty, rather than the quick drive around a parking lot that it seems a lot of places have.

      So people seem a lot more prepared than in many other places, since they actually have to be able to spot hazards and do driving maneuvers to get their license in the first place.

    • By zumu 2025-09-095:19

      > having spoken with US colleagues, much higher than state-side (although I imagine that varies from state to state).

      You know, it does vary but relative to any other developed country it's pitiful in every state. The reality is we just hand out driver's licenses to whomever.

    • By keyringlight 2025-09-0821:062 reply

      Then you get the two wheeled side of the fence. You can do a one day compulsory basic training course and convince a trainer you know what you're doing, then drive on the road with everyone on a 125cc motorcycle (or 50cc at 16 years old), and then repeat the CBT every two years to keep on the road. It's only if you go for the full license that you need to study for theory as a prerequisite, so long as you keep out of trouble.

      • By Neil44 2025-09-097:51

        I did my CBT a few months ago after driving for 30 years. It was harder than I assumed it would be. But what scared me the most was the 18 year old who did his at the same time, never driven on the road before. The phrase organ donor seemed appropriate, as mcarbre as it sounds.

      • By michaelt 2025-09-0821:273 reply

        You make it sound like motorbike riders are practically unregulated, but in a sense it's the opposite.

        A few decades ago, 125cc bikes were mostly for learners practising before taking their test. But successive governments have made it harder and harder to get a full license - so loads of riders just stay on learner bikes forever.

        So the status quo is, in a sense, the result of very strict regulation.

        • By webdevver 2025-09-0911:31

          getting a full motorbike license is also expensive. there's a chicken and egg problem, which is that for an unrestricted license you must do the Mod1 and Mod2 on a 600cc bike or greater, which ofcourse you're not allowed to ride if you're on a CBT.

          so you have to pay a school, and itll cost in total probably £1k or a bit more. when i did it, the guys also told me, there's basically only one company now that provides insurance for instructors/riding schools.

          motorbiking i think is becoming less of a guy thing and more like skiing - an expensive, occasional thrill, but very much an upmarket upper-middle-class type of activity. there were more girls than guys at my lessons too, which was pretty surprising at first, but not really once you consider the prior.

          which was very much at odds with the instructors, who were all guys' guys - when they got into it at 16, motorbiking was much cheaper than a car, and had a real economic argument to make (it was much cheaper all-round) - today, if you add up the insurance, protective gear, bike, and school money, you will be on-par with a car, which is far more practical.

        • By Neil44 2025-09-097:522 reply

          It's the Deliveroo, Just Eat etc crowd too. CBT and off you go. No incentive for further training.

          • By cjrp 2025-09-098:45

            Yep. They should re-think allowing people to work with just a CBT, but I guess they don't want to stop people from having a job.

          • By webdevver 2025-09-0911:27

            driving instructors told me they get indians straight up offering to buy CBTs with cash lol.

        • By panick21_ 2025-09-0920:43

          The regulation I want for motorbikes is less noise. Its absolutely absurd what is allowed in most places. And if you modify the bike to make more noise you should never be allowed to drive again.

    • By euroderf 2025-09-0912:14

      In New York state, virtually EVERYONE fails their first driving test. Rare exceptions. Second test pass is standard.

      I kind of assumed every state does this.

    • By physicsguy 2025-09-0911:06

      “now includes”

      It has done for nearly 25 years at this point ;)

    • By devnullbrain 2025-09-0910:271 reply

      I haven't driven in other countries but from my experience I'm not sure this is translating to good driving on the road.

      • By jajko 2025-09-0910:391 reply

        It covers some, lets say non-beginner situations that are pretty real and can make a difference between OK situation and multiple fatalities crash. A junior driver can still kill people as easily as anybody else, standards should be high.

        And you should certainly drive in other countries, namely much worse and much better than yours (presumably US), they are both out there.

  • By berryg 2025-09-0820:513 reply

    Driving in the UK can be quite a shock when you're used to the roads in the Netherlands. The speed at which people navigate roundabouts can feel terrifying, and the maximum speed in the countryside is something else. Going *60 mph* on narrow roads with limited visibility is just crazy. The locals just speed by. I guess it's just what you're used to.

    • By tialaramex 2025-09-0821:296 reply

      You're not supposed to drive 60mph on those tiny roads.

      Why are they 60mph? Well, the symbol they display doesn't say 60mph, it's basically just a slash symbol - it should be read "National Limit Applies" or perhaps "Derestricted" and it so happens that the law in the UK says that if there's no other rule in place that limit is 60mph and on these tiny roads nobody has put in place a more specific limit so that's the law.

      [If there is carriageway separation, e.g. a larger road on which traffic flowing in the opposite direction isn't sharing the same tarmac, this global rule says 70mph, but no tiny roads have multiple carriageways, actually sometimes it feels like there's barely room for one let alone two]

      However, just because there isn't a lower limit doesn't mean it's appropriate to drive at 60mph and people who do are generally maniacs. Where I grew up there are lots of these roads, steep, winding, narrow tracks paved in the 19th or 20th centuries for access to a farm here or a cottage there, and maintained by the public. You absolutely might turn a corner and find an entire flock of sheep in the road going "Baa!". If you're doing 60mph after you've killed a bunch of sheep and the bodies start smashing through your windscreen you're probably dead. Sheep don't have lights, don't know about jaywalking laws (which Britain doesn't have anyway) and aren't smart enough to have considered this risk, they're just there and now you're dead. So you drive at maybe 30-40mph on the straight parts, slower on curves and always pay a lot of attention 'cos things can go very bad, very quickly.

      Roundabouts are a bit different. The UK has a lot of what are called "mini roundabouts". As a pedestrian, or perhaps on a bicycle these do just look like they're small roundabouts, too small for the island in the middle to have any purpose so it's just paint. But in a vehicle it's apparent that the island can't exist because you'd crash into it, perhaps not in a Mini but certainly in a bin truck or a bus. The mini roundabout isn't a roundabout except in the sense that the same rules apply as if it was, which means if I can see you can't enter before I do then I know you mustn't enter, I have right of way, which means I needn't slow down - you won't be in my way, you're not entering.

      • By lmm 2025-09-091:323 reply

        > You're not supposed to drive 60mph on those tiny roads.

        You are supposed to drive 60mph where appropriate, e.g. on straight stretches with good visibility and no junctions. It's very possible to fail your driving test for not going fast enough on a single carriageway.

        • By hnlmorg 2025-09-096:121 reply

          It’s equally possibly to fail for going too fast while still under the speed limit.

          What you’re supposed to do is drive at a speed that gives you chance to react to dangers given your visibility and road surface conditions.

          For country roads, they’re typically winding rather than straight. So more often than not, that means you shouldn’t be travelling much past 30mph.

          But you are right that straight stretches do exist. They’re just not as common on such roads.

          • By cjrp 2025-09-098:481 reply

            > What you’re supposed to do is drive at a speed that gives you chance to react to dangers given your visibility and road surface conditions.

            Indeed, I always think of my instructor's words "can you stop within the distance you can see". As that distance decreases, you should be slowing down; potentially there's a cyclist or horse right around the corner.

            • By hnlmorg 2025-09-0910:08

              There’s an old guy that walks round the small country lanes at rush hour where I live. He wears a hi vis jacket but that doesn’t do much when you have trees and hedges blocking visibility.

              I’m constantly amazed that some idiot hasn’t hit him.

        • By alt227 2025-09-099:47

          Not sure why you are being downvoted, you are completely correct. Have an upvote.

      • By zdragnar 2025-09-0822:132 reply

        The same is true in the US. Most (all?) states have state-wide speed limit "defaults" for town/city roads (i.e. 25 mph), highways and rural roads (i.e. 55 mph) and freeways (i.e. 70mph).

        Instead of having a speed limit sign after each and every intersection, they're placed periodically. If you enter a road and there's no sign, that's the speed limit. If there's a different speed limit than the default, and you cross through an intersection and there's not another sign after it, that means the speed limit reverted to the default.

        It can be a bit confusing (MN has 35 in city roads, WI 25) but also handy (wide open plains states often have much much higher freeway speeds).

        • By tialaramex 2025-09-0823:132 reply

          The UK does have default rules, for example if there are houses directly facing onto the street (no front garden or similar maybe hard to imagine in most of the US but common in some UK towns) then the limits are low, if there are no houses at all the default limits are much higher. You are taught some rules of thumb for this when learning to drive. The posted limit signs are in addition to these rules, though they're more obvious.

          But the tiny roads are usually where there is no housing - hardly anybody lives there so even the single lane of tarmac is a great expense considering average traffic. The "No housing => faster" is part of why there aren't signs limiting them. It's still a terrible idea to do 60mph though, just not necessarily illegal.

          • By neillyons 2025-09-097:39

            I did a speed awareness course as I got caught speeding and was told if there are lamp posts the speed limit is 30mph unless stated otherwise.

          • By rmccue 2025-09-090:07

            More specifically, “built-up areas” where the lower limits apply are those with streetlights at least every 200 yards - definitionally.

        • By potato3732842 2025-09-099:58

          The difference is that in the US the defaults are jokes nobody abides by whereas in the UK they are, in some cases, numbers the "perhaps not lowest but normal person on a normal day" denominator will not find themselves wanting to exceed in basically every location where they apply.

      • By master_crab 2025-09-092:43

        Having just come back from visiting the in-laws in Gloucestershire (American raised on American roads), it took me a minute to comprehend the national speed limit rule. Nonetheless, I don’t think the rule matters much.

        What matters more is the far stricter driver licensing and “Scarlet L” (my words) that the learners have to display.

        That and the fact that it is bloody impossible to conduct 2 way traffic down country roads thanks to all the hedgerows and so everyone is extra careful and courteous (usually).

      • By 4ndrewl 2025-09-0821:471 reply

        aka "it's a speed limit, not a target"

        • By everfrustrated 2025-09-099:591 reply

          Begs the question why the symbol for a limit is in the (literal) shape of a target.

          • By 4ndrewl 2025-09-0910:27

            Circular signs with a red outline are prohibition signs (ie you _must_ not do this).

            Triangular signs with a red outline are warning signs.

      • By kypro 2025-09-0822:06

        It's probably worth noting you can be charged with a driving offence if you're driving 60mph down a country road even if it's technically national speed limit.

        Just because legally you can drive at 60 doesn't mean you're legally allowed to drive recklessly. National speed limit is basically, "you're permitted to drive as fast as you like so long as you do so in a safe manner".

      • By jonplackett 2025-09-0822:523 reply

        I hate driving on these roads. I just refuse to drive a speed where I can’t stop if there’s someone in the road on a blind corner - call me an idiot and beep your horn at me if you want.

        • By potato3732842 2025-09-0910:021 reply

          On paper that's perfectly fine.

          In practice there seems to be a ton of correlation between people who say things like that and people who think their Fiat 500 stops like a garbage truck.

          • By DiggyJohnson 2025-09-0913:50

            Funniest thing I've heard a kid say all month. My colleague's 7 year old daughter to him:

            D: "Dad why does everyone honk at mom when she drive's us to school?"

            F: "Because she drives too slow sometimes."

            D: "Why doesn't she speed up?"

            F: "I don't know. She's always been like that."

            D: "I tried saying people are waiting for us to go [referring to a pretty benign yield right-on-red near their house]."

            F: "How'd that go?"

            D: "She didn't listen!"

            I don't know why but it was absolutely hysterical to me. Kids are precious.

        • By dboreham 2025-09-091:081 reply

          That's the speed you're supposed to drive at.

          • By tbossanova 2025-09-091:521 reply

            Yep. I remember being driven around roads like this with a friend with a high performance car who knew what he was doing, so could go what seemed like a terrifyingly high speed to me, but was perfectly safe for him. Then we hit some other cars going slower and he just followed at the same speed, infinitely patient for someone with a thirst for speed. Just completely happy to adjust to the appropriate speed for the situation.

            • By mytailorisrich 2025-09-095:29

              People who know those roads drive fast, indeed, but it is not safe.

              Visibility is poor and you cannot safely go through a bend at 50+ mph when you cannot see what's beyond it. There might be a stationary vehicle, a horse, a cyclists, even a pedestrian and you wouldn't know or be able to stop in time. This is how lethal collisions happen in those roads.

        • By andy99 2025-09-090:111 reply

          Makes sense, and I know driving in france I've felt the same. I also know driving in Canada our speed limits often cater to some lowest common denominator, where anyone driving the limit is going dangerously slow (I'm thinking of certain country roads) and inevitably has a long line of angry people following them.

          I've heard before about setting speed limits using percentile studies of people driving on the road, which in the absence of some specific safety concern (which then needs engineering like narrowing the road or adding turns) makes the most sense.

          I also wish there was more of a culture of pulling over if you don't want to drive at the flow speed. If I want a leisurely drive and see someone rapidly coming up behind me, I'll happily pull over and let them pass. There seem to be these sociopaths or self-righteous jerks who will happily drive 5km/h under the speed limit with 20 cars behind them. This is way more dangerous than speeding and should be treated as such. If you just want to drive slowly, why would you want the stress or a bunch of angry drivers behind you.

          • By fiddlerwoaroof 2025-09-091:38

            I think the concept of a “speed limit” is part of the problem. On controlled-access roads, I think it would be better for the posted speed to be advisory and, instead, train drivers to think of driving too slow for your lane as being just as dangerous as speeding because, in a moving group of cars, you want to be as close to 0mph relative to the other cars as is feasible.

    • By sas224dbm 2025-09-0821:374 reply

      A favorite past-time back in the day was driving at night from pub to pub along the 'back roads' (B-roads specifically in the UK) as fast as 'possible'. There were typically no street lights, however lights from other vehicles showed up alerting you to any possible danger. It was fun at the time, but i wouldn't do it now .. lol ..

      • By tialaramex 2025-09-0823:00

        Right, there were no street lights where I grew up because street lights cost money and the people where I lived were rich partly because they paid few taxes, so no money for street lights. I happened to move to a city when it wasn't yet concerned about the environmental impact or cost, so I went from "Of course the main road doesn't have lights, what are we made of money?" to "Of course jogging tracks in the city parks have 24/7 street lighting. what if you wanted to go jogging at midnight, you can't jog in the dark!". Today those tracks don't have lighting 'cos there's no money and the wildlife hates it but thirty years ago, sure.

        However some back roads aren't even B roads, the classification keeps going through C and D but it's local numbering, the numbers are just for local maintenance crews - so a C-1234 could be duplicated a few miles away in another local government territory and that would be confusing for drivers so they won't write C-1234 on a sign, they'll just say what's in that direction or maybe a local name for the road.

      • By devnullbrain 2025-09-0910:31

        >lights from other vehicles showed up alerting you to any possible danger.

        When I started driving I preferred the dark for these roads because the lights let you 'see' hazard around a corner.

        Headlights were worse then - and I hadn't seen a crash into a deer.

      • By physicsguy 2025-09-0911:101 reply

        I went to a wedding in Devon recently, friend of my wife’s whose family are all farmers and her brother was joking that it’d be fine to drive back drunk because the car would just bounce off the hedgerows…

        • By euroderf 2025-09-0912:15

          Safety first. More hedgerows!

      • By hnlmorg 2025-09-096:161 reply

        That’s great just so long as your county roads doesn’t have any dog walkers or wildlife like deer.

        The best case scenario then, is that you write off your car with a deer shaped hole in the front. The worst case scenario is you have a death on your conscience for the rest of your life.

        • By roygbiv2 2025-09-099:19

          I hit a pheasant on such a road once, not driving at silly speed but it was pitch black. My fog light was never seen again, nor the pheasant.

    • By djoldman 2025-09-0911:241 reply

      Thanks. This is from

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

      Browsing through this I found:

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Accident...

      What is up with poisoning in the early 40s?

      • By priteau 2025-09-0911:421 reply

        The page for this graph links to the source of the data, which is at: https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/deaths-by-demograph...

        As I suspected, poisoning most likely includes drug overdose. They have this comment about the 2023 data:

        > #1: Poisoning: 100,304 deaths

        > Largely due to the opioid epidemic affecting millions of people in the United States

        You can see more recent data than 2004 in their interactive charts. It is interesting to see that deaths from road accidents has much reduced for teenagers and young adults, compared to the rest of the population.

        • By djoldman 2025-09-0914:24

          Ah, that makes sense, thanks.

    • By wwqrd 2025-09-0910:421 reply

      per capita is a bit weird, maybe people in the UK don't drive as much.

      • By graemep 2025-09-0913:371 reply

        Less than in the US, but I imagine similar to the other European countries.

        One thing that is not being discussed is that cars have become a lot wafer - for both people in the car and for pedestrians they might hit.

        • By laurencerowe 2025-09-0916:54

          For the pedestrians they might hit the opposite has happened in the US as cars have been replaces with giant trucks and SUVs with extremely poor visibility.

    • By Ir0nMan 2025-09-0918:33

      Odd to use per capita here, to make a useful comparison it should be per mile driven.

    • By user____name 2025-09-0912:251 reply

      What the hell is going on in Russia?

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