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By jsbisviewtiful 2025-09-2622:451 reply Axios reported this claim and also reported there have been no verified examples of a phone receiving the broadcast as of an hour ago.
https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-pm-76a155d0-9b02-11f...
By Zaheer 2025-09-2623:06 Israel often imposes internet blackouts in Gaza so it could also be likely that word just hasn’t made it out.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-hit-by-teleco...
How come the more I hear about what Israel or Israeli companies can do with our devices makes me just not want to use a device at all? Maybe my tinfoil hat is too tight? Why are they so bold with their abilities while other countries are not? Are they just that much better, or are other nation states just better at keeping quiet?
By Waterluvian 2025-09-270:081 reply When you’re weak you have you act strong.
Reminds me how at some point the U.S. was so strong that it didn’t even have to show up to dick swinging contests anymore. No military parades and the like, which feels antiquated and kind of embarrassing when you see the Russians or North Koreans doing it.
Though the Americans are into military parades again… hmmm…
Is that the strategy of hamas then? They cannot hope to win, or even achieve anything, so they just hurt the people of Gaza and the hostages because of some misguided idea that this makes them feel "strong", whatever that means?
Sadly, I think you're actually right. That that's it.
By Waterluvian 2025-09-2713:43 I’m not even sure it’s a “strategy” for anyone. I think it’s just a consequence of being weak and being (or feeling) threatened.
Not unlike bullies. I don’t think bullies make the conscious decision to be that way.
Something similar could be said of Israeli strategy. They have not achieved anything of note except inflicting a Holocaust against the Palestinians. Perhaps because of some misguided idea that this makes them feel strong.
I think that is why they keep sabotaging the talks that would have seen all the hostages returned by now.
>Something similar could be said of Israeli strategy. They have not achieved anything of note except inflicting a Holocaust against the Palestinians. Perhaps because of some misguided idea that this makes them feel strong.
It's pretty consistently noted in the media that Netanyahu's actions in Palestine are to placate his far-right coalition partners, who would otherwise bring down his government. No need to invoke "this makes them feel strong" here.
By Waterluvian 2025-09-2719:11 I guess it might depend on what the goal is for staying in office, and to what ends one will go to do so. Is all of this truly because he believes this will make Israelis safer? Or is it because he wants to hold power, and what’s the motivator for holding that power? Avoiding consequences?
I wonder if for people like Netanyahu, Trump, Putin, etc. (and the people who are successfully swayed to support them…) it’s less about feeling strong and more about avoiding feeling weak.
Yes, violently disproportionate attacks on civilians is a part of IDF doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
Disproportionate violence is the basic modus operandus of every state.
By bigyabai 2025-09-2721:52 You don't understand what modus operandi means. Hamas and Iran can't function using disproportionate violence; they don't have fighter jets or stealth bombers, there isn't an October 7th every month. Their manner of fighting is dramatically underproportionate and still manages to threaten civilians less than Israel.
It should horrify you when the war on terror has killed more civilians than the terrorists ever did. Netanyahu knows violence won't bring hostages home, and everyone else knows Israel will fulminate until they're sanctioned into the stone age. Hamas and Iran are both winning the pissing contest by doing absolutely nothing.
By clanky 2025-09-2721:54 I'd say the jury is actually still out on whether al-Aqsa Flood will turn out to have been a brilliant strategic gambit. IDF still suffers frequent "security incidents" in Gaza, and Israel's popular support now consists of a dwindling core of hardliners and online Hasbara bots.
By tdeck 2025-09-276:16 I think the boldness is a combination of 1) marketing to governments and organizations around the world and 2) knowing there will be no consequences either domestic or international for what they do.
You probably took your security for granted? I'm being perfectly serious, RCEs like this are table-stakes for modern cyber-warfare.
Cyber-warfare probably shouldn't involve the entire civilian population's phones.
By _aavaa_ 2025-09-270:51 If factories filled with civilians are fair game for conventional attacks in total war. Why not cyber attacks on cell phones and electronics needed by the civilians to do those same jobs?
A state (or a carrier, in theory), doesn't need RCEs to do this. In every phone, the "actual phone", what talks to cell towers, is a separate system called the Baseband. It is a full computer, storage, memory, encryption, ... and it is under the control of carriers and through them of law enforcement and the like. It is also where the microphone and mostly the cameras are connected. The baseband then passes them through to the UI, like android or IOS. It's how carriers enforce disabling wifi when mobile data is active unless you pay extra, for example.
But it can copy the sound of a phone call to separate channels, or copy the data being sent (even on wifi), or it can activate emergency messages or broadcasts. It can also transmit audio and video when the phone is not actually in a call. That sort of thing.
In practice there are a great many different basebands and of course most states couldn't be bothered to actually write a decent system to use them (well, they tried forcing carriers to do it for them, but anyone who ever worked at a large carrier on a big project can tell you how that went), so only lowest common denominator features are in practice accessible. That means location and getting audio. But nothing is stopping countries from implementing more. I bet the NSA has something with a lot more features, for example.
By gruez 2025-09-2719:00 >and it is under the control of carriers
No, the only part where carriers can run arbitrary code is on the sim card, which can only run javacard applets.
>It can also transmit audio and video when the phone is not actually in a call.
Source? AFAIK both iPhones and Pixels have discrete modems, which means the baseband is separated from the main processor and communicates with it via some sort of bus. It's unclear how the baseband would be able to get arbitrary audio/video when it's isolated in this manner.
By tonyhart7 2025-09-2623:28 both
1. israel cyberarmy is just better
2. they dont need to hide it anymore (where US and china do it may gain unnecessary publicity)
By yonisto 2025-09-2623:22 The later. While I applaud Israel capabilities the are not unique. USA and china has more mony, talent and access to the hardware/software that is actually used to build the networks
"Those who do not will be hunted" just feels gross. There's something sinister there
By tgsovlerkhgsel 2025-09-2623:502 reply In the verbally given version of the speech that isn't shortened to a tweet (https://www.nbcnews.com/video/shorts/israel-pm-says-they-use...) this is explicitly directed "to the jailers of our hostages", and in that context, it seems pretty reasonable.
By bigyabai 2025-09-272:00 > and in that context, it seems pretty reasonable.
Let's allow the ICC to decide that for us, with the wealth of available evidence at their disposal.
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By JumpCrisscross 2025-09-2623:191 reply [flagged]
"After the deadly offensive by Hamas against Israel in October 2023, Ismail Haniyeh, who replaced Mashaal as head of the Hamas political bureau in exile, again invoked religious rhetoric. “Today, the enemy has had a political, military, intelligence, security and moral defeat inflicted upon it, and we shall crown it, with the grace of God, with a crushing defeat that will expel it from our lands, our holy city of al Quds, our al Aqsa mosque, and the release of our prisoners from the jails of the Zionist occupation,” he said." [1]
Excerpts from the Hamas Covenant [1]:
"Article 8:
Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes."
"Article 15:
The day that enemies usurp part of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. In face of the Jews' usurpation of Palestine, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised."
Hamas' *literal* goal is the extermination of Jews and the Jewish people. That's literally genocide.[2][3]
[1] https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas
[2] https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...
[3] https://opil.ouplaw.com/display/10.1093/law:epil/97801992316...
...now don't get me wrong — I don't side with Netanyahu or what his government have been doing — but that doesn't change the fact that Hamas' goal is the eradication of the only Jewish state in the world, and it's people — actual genocide.
The attacks on October 7, 2023 were much more than a "hate crime" as you mistakenly claim... and your whataboutism is just immature, and isn't conducive to actual discourse.
By AlecSchueler 2025-09-277:361 reply Maybe not doing everything we can to legitimise Hamas by dehumanising the entire Palestinian people would be a start. Back a dog into a corner then euthanise it for biting you... Disgusting
You legitimated Hamas when Starmer recognised a Palestinian state
- *in the middle of a war* - nearly two years after October 7 - while Hamas still have hostages
...it ABSOLUTELY legitimises them, and rewards them for their attacks on October 7 and beyond.
Sounds more like you're "dehumanising the entire Palestinian people" by calling them a dog... and accusing Israel of "euthanising" the Palestinian people.
Hamas' literal goal — which you've conveniently decided to avoid commenting on — is the destruction of the only Jewish state in the world, and the destruction of the Jewish people.
If Netanyahu wanted to wipe Hamas from the face of the earth with no thought for civilians or collateral damage, the IDF could've turned Gaza into sand and glass on October 8.
Yes, how Netanyahu and his government have acted is wrong... but have you gotten daily emergency notifications from incoming Hamas missiles and drones? Have you ever had to live in the only country in the world that literally requires an Iron Dome defence system to protect it from attacks from Hamas and their ilk? Where buildings and public streets are literally required to have strongrooms and shelters as places of safety, and people can have to take shelter from attacks on a daily basis? — and this was going on long before the current war. In the 90's, when Hamas were just getting on their feet, it was Hezbollah firing rockets at Israel... then, when Hamas got its numbers and weapons up, Hezbollah supported _them_.
What's disgusting is you making such an asinine comment without evidently knowing the history or experiencing life in that area of the world, on either side of any manmade line in the sand...
A Palestinian state shouldn't be recognised with terrorists at the helm — that's like deciding to just give annexed parts of Ukraine up as "New South Russia". Hamas need to be removed from terrorising and controlling the local population and acting as an oppressive so-called government... and the Palestinian Authority should be installed as the legitimate government for a Palestinian state.
When you award that status to a proscribed terrorist group (which Hamas was made in the UK in 2001, nearly a quarter-century ago, FYI), while they are the active aggressors of this war, given October 7 —— and while they still hold hostages and oppress their own supposed people — it legitimises them more than anything else.
Mind you don't get arrested supporting PA in Westminster... getting an S13 charge under Terrorism Act 2000 wouldn't look good... but then you've ignored facts and missed the point altogether with your own disgusting rhetoric.
Speaking of disgusting... it's Russia's speaking slot at the UN today. Do you think there will be a mass walkout when their representative goes to the podium to speak? I suspect if there isn't, there's some rather antisemitic hypocrisy going on...
By AlecSchueler 2025-09-2719:22 > You legitimated Hamas when Starmer recognised a Palestinian state
Nope. Palestine isn't Hamas.
> Sounds more like you're "dehumanising the entire Palestinian people" by calling them a dog...
"No u?" I didn't call anyone a dog, I used a metaphor to illustrate a situation.
> Hamas' literal goal — which you've conveniently decided to avoid commenting on — is the yada yada yada
Yeah because I'm not talking about Hamas. And honestly I haven't seen a single reasonable word in your comment this far so I don't think I'll be reading any further.
Oh wow haha you've even got all the "anti-Semitic" buzzwords in there. You know the UN has recognised the genocide? Is there a genocide taking place in Ukraine? Why do you equate these things?
Sorry, don't even answer that, this exchange will go nowhere. But I'm glad you wasted your time
By artursapek 2025-09-2623:09 [flagged]
