Is the golden age of Indie software over?

2025-12-2221:064768successfulsoftware.net

The concept of shareware appeared in the 1980s. Developers would use relatively primitive tools to create their software, then promote it via fanzines, user groups and bulletin boards to a niche au…

The concept of shareware appeared in the 1980s. Developers would use relatively primitive tools to create their software, then promote it via fanzines, user groups and bulletin boards to a niche audience of shareware fans. If you wanted to try the software, you would have to get hold of a floppy disk with it on. And, if you wanted to buy a licence, you would generally have to post a physical cheque to the developer. This was being an Indie developer in hard mode. A few people made a lot of money, but most vendors made modest returns on their efforts.

I started selling my first software product in 2005. This was a good time to start up as an independent software vendor. High quality compilers, IDEs, debuggers, version control systems and web servers were widely available and mostly free. The market for software was growing, as more and more people purchased PCs and Macs. Payment processors were starting to streamline online payments. But the real revolution was being able to distribute your software worldwide via an increasingly ubiquitous Internet. And getting noticed by potential customers, while never easy, was generally achievable through writing content for search engines to find, paid online ads (such as Google Adwords pay per click), download sites or even ads in physical magazines. With a lot of hard work and a bit of luck, it was quite possible to make a decent living.

Things have continued evolving at a rapid pace over the 20 years I have been selling software. Development tools have continued to improve. Mobile and web-based software has become mainstream. App stores have appeared. Outsourcing became a thing. Subscription payment models are increasingly common. Mostly these changes haven’t affected my business too much. But recently things have begun to feel noticeably harder.

LLMs have made a major impact. While I don’t worry that LLMs will do a better job than my seating planner software, data wrangling software or visual planning software any time soon (my main competitor remains Excel), everyone is noticing that their web traffic is falling. People increasingly read LLM summaries rather than clicking on search engine links or the accompanying ads. Maybe the LLM will include a link to the website that they ripped off the content from, but probably they won’t. So writing content in the hope of traffic from search engines is becoming less and less of a viable strategy to get noticed.

Other promotional channels are getting squeezed as well. Online ads are increasingly expensive and rife with click fraud. This makes it hard to get any chance of return, unless lifetime customer value is hundreds of dollars. Google Adwords is a case in point. In the early days, I could get lots of targeted clicks at an affordable price. But Google have done everything they can to raise bid prices and generally enshittify Adwords, so they can grab more and more of the value in every transaction. I now get barely any clicks at bid prices I am prepared to pay.

One of the few useful promotional channels left is YouTube. But it is very time-consuming to produce videos and the amount of competition is huge. I fully expect generative AI to erode its value over time, as AI slop floods the channel.

Typically promotional channels start off great for vendors and become less great over time (the law of shitty clickthrus). But then new promotional channels appear and the dance starts again. But there just doesn’t seem to be much in the way of viable new channels appearing for Indie vendors like myself. My experiment with advertising on Reddit did not go well.

LLMs potentially also make software easier to write, which is a double-edged sword. It might help you code features faster, but it also lowers the barrier, so that more people can compete. Even if your new competition is bug riddled garbage, ‘vibe coded’ by someone who doesn’t know what they are doing, it still makes it harder for your product to get noticed.

The general cost of living crisis hasn’t helped either. The super-rich are making out like bandits, but everyone else has less disposable income. And that is only going to get worse when the current AI funding circle-jerk implodes.

Each of the different software platforms also have their own issues.

  • Downloadable software has fallen out of fashion and the market is shrinking as increasingly people expect software to be web-based. People are also wary about downloading software onto their computers, in case it contains malware.
  • Web-based software is more of a service than a product and is expected to be available 24×7. Expect to get lots of very unhappy emails if your server falls over. And woe betide you if your customer data is hacked. Disappearing off somewhere for a few days without an Internet connection is not really viable, unless you have employees.
  • Mobile-based software is expected to be free or, at best, very cheap. So requires huge scale to make any decent return. And that is tough when there are some 2 million apps in the iPhone app store. You are also at the mercy of app store owners, who really don’t have your best interest at heart.

The new wave of AI tools must be creating new opportunities, but it seems these opportunities are mostly there for big companies, not for Indie developers. And it is very risky to build your product as a thin layer on top of someone else’s platform. Ask people who built tools and services on top of Twitter.

It feels that it is getting harder for small software vendors, like myself, to make a living. Of course, this could be just the ramblings of a 50-something-year-old, looking back through his rose-tinted varifocals. What do you think? Has it got harder?

If you want to show indie software vendors some love, check out all the great indie software for Mac and Windows (including my own Easy Data Transform and Hyper Plan) on sale at Winterfest.


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  • By mstank 2025-12-2222:018 reply

    In my experience, the golden age of indie software is about to begin. LLMs and coding agents will make building vertical and niche software much more cost effective.

    In the last 3 months, I’ve built and launched a SaaS app to help my sister manage her florist business, and already have other paying customers. Without LLMs, this would have never been feasible because of dev time and/or costs.

    • By lapcat 2025-12-230:021 reply

      > Without LLMs, this would have never been feasible because of dev time and/or costs.

      This implies that the ultimate payoff will be quite small, doesn't it? I would think that a "golden age" requires gold, so to speak. A lucrative software business should eventually return profits after costs in the long run.

      To me, it doesn't sound like a golden age if the idea is just to break even on development.

      Are we just talking about a hobby here, or about becoming a professional indie software developer? Those are two vastly different outcomes. If you can't quit your day job, I wouldn't call it a golden age.

      In another comment you said, "it will be great for users / companies with these specific problems." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46360019 But this seems to be changing the subject. The article author is a software developer trying to make a living. A golden age for florists, for example, is not necessarily a golden age for indie software developers.

      • By sakesun 2025-12-231:38

        I agree. As seen in other comments as well, it’s an engineer’s instinct to believe that producing more creates more value. In reality, value is determined by scarcity and usefulness, not output alone.

    • By flashgordon 2025-12-2222:54

      This. Companies are chomping at the bits about developer productivity and how they can do 10x more. What is not clear even if they can fire 90% of their engineers (assuming the 10x productivity gain is real), how are they expecting that even a tiny sliver of that 90% cannot replicate the products - with AI? And if we are in such a world how are those companies' valuations justified any more?

      I am really excited at indie software again!

    • By jppope 2025-12-2222:26

      I agree with this take, if anything the Enterprise corporations probably have more to fear than Indie software developers.

    • By risyachka 2025-12-2222:261 reply

      You just named all reasons why it is over

      • By simonw 2025-12-2222:293 reply

        What, because it only takes three months to build a SaaS for a florist?

        If it took 12 months to build a SaaS for a florist nobody would build a SaaS for a florist.

        • By risyachka 2025-12-2317:09

          Yeah exactly. It is basically a commodity at this point - and in commodities margins are like 3% and there is nothing you can compete on except price - which becomes a race to the bottom. And there is no booming industry where this is the case.

        • By xnorswap 2025-12-2222:441 reply

          Of course, saas for florists does exist https://www.strelitziasoftware.com/our-story/

          • By pzo 2025-12-2223:12

            But still you can compete on prize or provide proper localization. In your link they share the are based in UK and available in 7 countries. Something that took half a year and a few devs now it can be done by one indie in 1 month living in cheaper country and charging 1/5th and still be happy about it.

        • By _vqpz 2025-12-2222:382 reply

          How ever will humanity survive without vibe coded florist SaaS

          • By mstank 2025-12-2222:401 reply

            All that matters if the florists are happy with it -- extrapolate that to humanity as you wish.

            • By _vqpz 2025-12-2223:52

              You may as well have just not left a comment because that means absolutely nothing in this discussion

          • By heyalexej 2025-12-2222:401 reply

            Humanity will clearly also survive without cars and shoes. What's your point?

            • By _vqpz 2025-12-2223:51

              Yes because the societal benefit of vibe coded florist SaaS is directly comparable to the societal benefit of cars and shoes. Great argument.

    • By switz 2025-12-2222:281 reply

      Yup, I echo this sentiment. We're about to flourish.

      It's never been cheaper and easier to build real value. It's also never been cheaper and easier to build real crap–but, the indie devs who care will build more value with higher velocity and independence. And good indie development will come with it an air of quality that the larger crap will struggle to compete with (at the edges). Not that they'll care, because the big players be making more money off the entrenched behemoths.

      But as an indie dev, your incentive structures are far different and far more manageable.

      Betteridge's law applies here – if the author truly believed the thesis, they would have declared it as a statement rather than a question.

      • By hermitcrab 2025-12-2222:43

        The author only has limited amount of data to go on, so can't really make a definitive statement that covers Indie developers in general.

    • By sh3rl0ck 2025-12-2222:12

      I agree.

      There's such an opportunity for people to actually explore ideas whose prototyping cost would have been too high with both time/money to not be worth it earlier.

      And even outside that perspective, there's a lot of broken corpo software now. The indie hackers are fighting back. See Helium by imputnet, for example. Ghostty by the revered Mitchell Hashimoto is another example of something I daily and is relatively indie.

      Corpo-slop seems to be enshittifying at an exponential rate due to decision paralysis and general management talent decay.

    • By moralbankruptcy 2025-12-2222:071 reply

      No the big players will just consume what any indie puts out and spit out something better.

      • By hermitcrab 2025-12-2222:081 reply

        For some value of 'better'.

        • By moralbankruptcy 2025-12-2222:112 reply

          Is Mcdonalds better than the mom and pop shop that got displaced 30 years ago?

          • By hermitcrab 2025-12-2222:22

            For me: no. For the suits: yes.

          • By wnevets 2025-12-2222:20

            > Is Mcdonalds better than the mom and pop shop that got displaced 30 years ago?

            In some cases yes, other wise why would they make billions of dollars?

    • By szundi 2025-12-2222:36

      [dead]

  • By ofalkaed 2025-12-2221:483 reply

    I think this space is just about to get really interesting. Historically when a craft/skill becomes automated it pushes that craft/skill to explore all those nooks and crannies which the automation can not reach, build around and exploit all those nooks and crannies, giving them a say over form and function. We are just starting to see this happen in software with AI.

    • By designerarvid 2025-12-2222:02

      Somehow this comes to mind: https://taxheaven3000.com/

    • By seinecle 2025-12-2222:09

      Well put. Certainly my case with https://nocodefunctions.com

      - traffic is slightly but noticeably decreasing for the last year: https://public.nocodefunctions.com

      - it pushes me to improve the design, the overall quality, explore new feature spaces: https://next.nocodefunctions.com

      Also, I noticed:

      - at first LLMs apply a penalty to development: it requires to explore new toolings for AI assisted coding, then select and get used to one of them, that might well end up being a transient solution. e.g. Cursor, to be replaced soon by Claude Code?

      - new uncertainty about which feature to develop: if I can develop it, then anyone else surely can reverse engineer it easily and replicate it? This is quite unnerving.

    • By observationist 2025-12-2221:571 reply

      This, for sure. A whole lot of things that would be too tedious or naive or ineffective will get tried, and a whole lot more people will have access to try ideas, I think things should get really fun and wild for a while.

      • By hermitcrab 2025-12-2222:01

        We are definitely in a period of transition. The question (for me) is whether Indie developers will be able to make a living in the new world of an Internet dominated by a few massive corporations and their AI tools.

  • By asdev 2025-12-2222:141 reply

    This is classic engineer trying to build a business. Indie software is more of a business than it is software. Everyone wants to do the easy part(coding/tech), nobody wants to relentlessly service customers and do marketing/distribution.

    Coding is easy. Building a business is hard, whether indie or VC backed.

    • By hermitcrab 2025-12-2222:18

      >This is classic engineer trying to build a business.

      My business has been profitable for 20 straight years, so I can't be that terrible at it. ;0)

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