If you're a woman interested in preserving your fertility window beyond its natural close in your early 40s, egg freezing is one of your best options…
If you're a woman interested in preserving your fertility window beyond its natural close in your early 40s, egg freezing is one of your best options. But if you rely on your doctor to tell you when to freeze them, you will likely be doing yourself and your future prospects for a family a disservice.
The female reproductive system is one of the fastest aging parts of human biology. But it turns out, not all parts of it age at the same rate.
The eggs, not the uterus, are what age at an accelerated rate. Freezing eggs can extend a woman's fertility window by well over a decade, allowing a woman to give birth into her 50s.
In a world where more and more women are choosing to delay childbirth to pursue careers or to wait for the right partner, egg freezing is really the only tool we have to enable these women to have the career and the family they want.
Given that this intervention can nearly double the fertility window of most women, it's rather surprising just how little fanfare there is about it and how narrow the set of circumstances are under which it is recommended.
Standard practice in the fertility industry is to wait until a woman reaches her mid to late 30s, at which point if she isn't on track to have all the children she wants, it's advised she freeze her eggs.
This is not good practice. The outcomes from egg freezing decline in a nearly linear fashion with age, and conventional advice does a great misservice to women by not encouraging them to freeze eggs until it's almost too late.
The optimal age to freeze eggs varies depending on the source and metric, but almost all sources agree it's sometime between 19 and 26.
So why has the fertility industry decided to make "freeze your eggs in your mid-30s" the standard advice as opposed to "freeze your eggs in your sophomore year of college"?
Part of the reason is fairly obvious: egg freezing is expensive and college sophomores are not known for being especially wealthy. Nor is the process especially fun, so given a choice between IVF and sex with a romantic partner, most women would opt for the latter.
But another reason is that the entire fertility industry is built around infertile women in their mid to late 30s and most doctors just don't have a clear mental model for how to deal with women in their mid-20s thinking about egg freezing.
There are countless examples of this blind spot, but one of the most poignant is the fertility industry almost completely ignores all age-related fertility decline that occurs before the age of 35, to the point where they literally group every woman under 35 into the same bucket when reporting success metrics for IVF.
This is far from the only issue. We not only ignore differences between 24 and 34 year olds, but the way we measure "success" in IVF is fundamentally wrong, and this error specifically masks age-related fertility decline that occurs before the age of 35.
If you go to an IVF clinic, create five embryos, get one transferred, and that embryo becomes a baby, you can go back two years later and get your second embryo transferred to have another child.
If that works, your second child will be ignored by official statistics. Births beyond one that come from the same egg retrieval are not counted, so these differences in outcomes that come from having many viable embryos literally don't show up in success statistics. This practice specifically masks the benefits of freezing eggs in your mid 20s instead of mid 30s, because most of the decline between those two ages comes from having fewer viable embryos.
What happens if we measure success differently? What if we instead measure the expected number of children you can have from a single egg retrieval, and show how that changes as a function of age?
The answer is the difference between freezing eggs at 25 and freezing them at 37 becomes much more stark: there's a 60% decline in expected births per egg retrieval between those two ages, and no one in the IVF industry will tell you this.
Worse still, by age 35, over 10% of women won't be able to have ANY children from an egg freezing cycle due to various infertility issues which increase exponentially with age. So for a decent portion of egg freezing customers, they will get no benefit from freezing their eggs and they often won't find this out until 5-10 years later when they go back to the clinic and find that none of the eggs are turning into embryos.
Freezing eggs at a younger age becomes even more important with polygenic embryo screening. We've had genetic screening for conditions like Down Syndrome and sickle cell anemia for decades, but starting in 2019, it became possible to screen your child for risks of all kinds of things. Parents who go through IVF can now boost their children's IQ, decrease their risk of diseases like Alzheimer's, depression and diabetes, and even make their children less likely to drop out of high school by picking an embryo with a genetic predisposition towards any of these outcomes.
But the size of the benefit of this screening depends significantly on the number of embryos available to choose from, which declines almost linearly with age. The expected benefit of embryo screening declines as a result.
The father's age actually affects the expected benefit as well! But the decline is slower and most of the biological downsides of an older father show up as increased risk of developmental disorders like serious autism.
It is possible to compensate for this to some degree by doing more IVF cycles, but by the late 30s when the modal woman is freezing eggs, even this strategy starts to lose efficacy.
This is just one more reason why the standard advice to wait until your mid-30s to freeze eggs is wrong.
More clued in people might point out that there are several companies working on making eggs from stem cells, and that perhaps by the time women who are 20 today reach the age at which they're ready to begin having kids, those eggs will be useless because it will be easy to mass manufacture eggs by that time.
Barring the AI-enabled automation of everything, I don't think stem cell derived eggs are going to be commercially practical for another decade or more.
Companies currently working on this whom I've talked to think we're 6-8 years from human trials. Even after trials conclude there will still be a period where stem cell derived eggs are incredibly expensive as every wealthy woman past her reproductive years rushes to get in line.
Lastly, the stem cells we're planning to use to make these eggs accrue mutations with age, and we don't currently have a good method to fix these before making them into eggs. These mutations will bring additional risk of various serious diseases, only some of which we currently have the genetic screening to detect.
You can actually freeze your eggs for relatively little money if you know where to go. Clinics like CNY Fertility are about a third the price of a regular IVF clinic and have reasonably similar outcomes for procedures like egg freezing. Including the cost of the retrieval, monitoring, medications, flights, and hotels this will usually come out to about $6000-7000 per retrieval. Storage fees generally run around $500/year.
The downside of CNY is the customer experience is worse than average, and there's much less hand holding than you'll get at a higher end clinic.
If you're rich and money is no object, the best IVF doctor I know is probably Dr. Aimee. She's quite expensive compared to the average IVF doctor (somewhere between $25k and $40k per round with all expenses included), but she has produced some pretty outlierish results for a number of my friends and acquaintances.
If CNY doesn't work for you and Dr. Aimee is too expensive, I'd recommend using Baby Steps IVF to find a clinic. It provides ranked lists of the best clinics all over the United States, and it's completely free. Two friends of mine, Sam Celarek and Roman Hauksson spent the last year and a half building this site. It's probably the best resource on the internet for comparing clinics. Most of the clinics you'll find through this website (and indeed most of the clinics in the country) will cost between $12,000 and $22,000 per round of egg freezing, with annual storage fees usually coming in between $800 and $1200.
Lastly, if you're a California resident, check whether your insurance plan offers coverage for IVF. You may be able to get them to pay for egg freezing, especially if you are already married.
Most women will need 1-3 rounds of egg retrieval to have a high chance of having all the children they want. If you plan to do polygenic embryo selection, 2-5 is a better estimate. If you want more precise numbers, use Herasight's calculator to estimate how many kids you could get from a given number of egg freezing cycles. If you want to do polygenic embryo selection, aim to have enough eggs for >2x the number of children you actually want.
If you're interested in freezing your eggs or you're interested in polygenic embryo selection, send me an email. I'm happy to chat with anyone interested in this process and may be able to add you to some group chats with other women going through the process.
Bottom Line: unless you're literally underage, sooner is almost always better when it comes to egg freezing. If you're one of the few women who visits this site, consider freezing eggs sooner rather than later!
This is an article that you need to read critically, beyond the headline.
Even a few paragraphs down they say this:
> The optimal age to freeze eggs varies depending on the source and metric, but almost all sources agree it's sometime between 19 and 26.
So there's some heavy bias inserted already into the title.
The next chart shows a peak around 19, but if you read the fine print it's not a chart about eggs at all. The subtitle says it shows:
> probability of getting pregnant for couples not on birth control
Not the quality of eggs frozen. They're saying one thing in text and showing a chart of something else. If you can't imagine why couples in their early 20s might have a higher rate of pregnancy than couples in their 50s then you might want to think a little deeper about the factors that go into that.
The writeup then goes into polygenic embryo screening, which then jumps to improving IQ by selecting embryos, which gets to their final argument which is that it's easier to collect more eggs when younger. So freezing a lot of eggs when you're younger allows for more boosting of your child's IQ through genetic screening based on a company called Herasight's data. Herasight has been widely criticized for overselling their abilities. Also, why do so many rationalist writeups end up back at a conversation about genetics and IQ?
I tried not to comment directly on the site because I wanted my points to stand on their own. However, Lesswrong has a long history on the internet. It’s part of the “rationalist” writing sphere which has become oddly preoccupied with topics like race and IQ, eugenics-adjacent topics, and never ending flirtations with reactionary ideologies.
That is true but also a bit unfair, they've also been oddly preoccupied with topics like trying to help the most people and frequently promote giving money to efficient charities to fight against malaria, vitamin A deficiencies and help vaccinate children in very poor countries.
That's their marketing pitch, but revealed preferences are stronger signals than stated ones.
I agree that revealed preferences are stronger signals than stated ones. https://funds.effectivealtruism.org/ shows 52000 donors for $110M, https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/ says more than 10000 donors and more than $490M given.
Oh, yeah, I'm aware.
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They could have called it morewrong.com or morallywrong for all the right mathematical reasons instead. Their eugenics agenda is really more than a little bit tiresome at this point.
Yes, this is utterly fucking bonkers.
This article is answering a different question to what it is asking. It's asking "What is the most effective strategy to freeze your eggs if you're absolutely certain you will need to".
The reason women freeze their eggs in their early 30s is because they still have a good chance for it to be effective and they now have a strong idea they'll need to. You don't have that second piece of information at age 19.
Or to be specific: What is the size of the cohort of women you are expecting to freeze their eggs at the age of 19, who will use those frozen eggs. How many of them will give birth to children without the help of IVF, and how many will choose never to have children.
I think this article is a good example of rationalism. Which is basically getting very mathsy about 1 specific very of the data, without viewing the data in the context of the decision that is being made.
For example, what is the percentage of women you expect to freeze their eggs at age 19, who you then expect to be unable to afford the $500 every year to keep those eggs frozen over the next decade?
I don't see a very big reason mentioned: You might not need it at all. Sure, the optimal age to freeze might be 19, but if 80% of women are done with children by age 30, why would you have every woman spend the equivalent of buying a small car on something they're overwhelmingly not going to need?
Waiting to get a good balance of "your eggs are still reasonably healthy" and "if you haven't had kids until now, it'll probably be a while still" is probably the reason behind the current advice.
Apparently the harvesting procedure typically (but not always?) involves general anesthesia. That alone is never entirely risk-free. In this context, the temporary loss of bodily autonomy could be particularly problematic. All that comes on top of the required hormone treatment. It's not a trivial procedure.
On the other hand, it may be a useful tool to resist expectations to become a mother until it becomes socially acceptable to say no. So it might be important even if the eggs are not getting used.
This is the best argument against early egg retrieval. If it were just a matter of money, the argument holds. However, the treatment involves pumping you with hormones that make you feel like crap the week before and after. Almost daily bloody draws are involved.
Then you add potential complications from anesthesia and the egg retrieval itself, and you have a net negative expected value.
The first time my wife underwent egg retrieval, the surgeon accidentally pierced her ovary. She has had pain on that ovary since.
There's no way it's a worthwhile investment to invest thousands of dollars and take on significant risk and discomfort just for a tool to "resist expectations." You should invest that in a therapist. Or moving to a different state.
> if 80% of women are done with children by age 30
Is this assumption based on anything? Not saying you're wrong, after all the majority of the world's population live in poor countries where people have children younger. But at least In my social circles it'd be more accurate to say 80%+ of women start having children at age 30 (or later) then are done with it. And I know multiple women who had their first child at 40+!
No, the number is made up, I'm saying that there's a point where the advice makes sense. Whether or not that's actually the case now is then a matter of statistics.