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  • I guess I need to repeat myself. I'm unclear on why you think that question answers my questions. Do you think AIPAC refuses money from non-Jews?

  • You are right that young Evangelicals are less supportive of Israel, but that is an overall trend in the US[1] and not specific to Evangelicals. Maybe the rest of what you said is true about your specific church, but it doesn't seem to match the general polling data.

    For example, "support for Israel among evangelicals is largely based on age and Biblical knowledge and has not been substantively impacted by the current Israel-Hamas war in Gaza... a belief that "God's covenant with the Jewish people remains intact today" has the greatest impact on support for Israel among a number of potential political, theological, sociological, and demographic factors... evangelical support for Israel remains stable from 2021 to 2024, though earlier surveys did show a sharp decline in evangelical support for Israel between 2018 and 2021...A decrease in core evangelical behavior like attending church and reading the Bible. Past studies have shown that these religious practices increase support for Israel."[2]

    In addition, "The only U.S. religious groups that have a majority favorable view toward Israel are Jews (at 73%) and Protestants (at 57%), according to the survey. In particular, 72% of white evangelicals view Israel favorably... Among American Jews, 53% do not have confidence in Netanyahu and 45% do. The only U.S. religious group to demonstrate confidence in Netanyahu is white evangelical Protestants."[3] And once again, these groups are not comparable in size meaning there are a lot more supportive Evangelicals than supportive Jews.

    There is also the matter of the US's current ambassador to Israel being an Evangelical who texts the president stuff like this[4].

    [1] - https://www.newsweek.com/israel-poll-gen-z-biden-election-19...

    [2] - https://religionnews.com/2024/06/03/new-study-measures-senti...

    [3] - https://www.jta.org/2025/04/09/united-states/most-americans-...

    [4] - https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2025/06/17/trump-posts-fa...

  • I'm unclear on why you think those links answer my question. Do you think AIPAC refuses money from non-Jews? Do you think there aren't Evangelical leaning PACs or other lobbying groups?

  • I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are calling attention to the phrasing of the excerpt rather than insinuating that Jews collectively are more loyal to Israel than the US.

    I admit the phrasing of the excerpt does look vague out of context, but it is about the collective of Jewish people. That is suggested by the excerpt saying "Jewish citizens" rather than "a Jewish citizen". It should also become more clear if you click through to the original and see all the other examples are about the Jewish people as a collective too. So yes, this text is specifically about the "because of" even if the excerpt doesn't make that explicit. It is not saying that any accusation of disloyalty is inherently antisemitism. For example, if a Jewish American citizen was arrested with real evidence of them being an Israeli spy, there would not be a serious discussion of whether the arrest was an act of antisemitism.

  • I wasn't comparing any two blocks of 6m people. I was comparing a specific group of 6m to a specific group of 100m. Do you think the 6m American Jews have more political power than the 100m American Evangelical Christians?

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