U.S. workers are among the most stressed in the world, new Gallup report finds

2021-06-1517:50183191www.cnbc.com

Gallup's latest State of the Global Workplace report captures how employees are feeling about work and life in the last year of the pandemic.

U.S. workers are some of the most stressed employees in the world, according to Gallup's latest State of the Global Workplace report, which captures how people are feeling about work and life in the past year.

U.S. and Canadian workers, whose survey data are combined in Gallup's research, ranked highest for daily stress levels of all groups surveyed. Some 57% of U.S. and Canadian workers reported feeling stress on a daily basis, up by eight percentage points from the year prior and compared with 43% of people who feel that way globally, according to Gallup's 2021 report.

This spike isn't surprising to Jim Harter, Gallup's chief workplace scientist, who tells CNBC Make It that rates of daily stress, worry, sadness and anger have been trending upward for American workers since 2009. Concerns over the virus, sickness, financial insecurity and racial trauma all contributed to added stress during the pandemic.

But stress spikes were especially acute for women in the last year: 62% of working women in the U.S. and Canada reported daily feelings of stress compared with 52% of men, showing the lasting impact of gendered expectations for caregiving in the household, ongoing child-care challenges and women's overrepresentation in low-wage service jobs most disrupted by the pandemic. By contrast, the daily stress levels for women in Western Europe went down in the last year, which researchers attribute to social safety nets for parents and workers to prevent unemployment.

And while employee engagement dipped in the rest of the world, it rose to 34% in the U.S. The correlation of higher engagement but also higher stress can result in burnout and mental health challenges and indicates "the intersection of work and life needs some work," Harter says.

These sentiments come at a time when younger generations expect their workplaces to provide more value than just a paycheck, Harter says, drawing on previous Gallup research. And in turn, he says organizations have a responsibility to help improve employee well-being if they want to support a resilient workforce; improve learning and performance; and attract top talent.

He points to five elements workplaces can focus on to improve employee engagement and help individuals thrive: career well-being, social well-being, financial well-being, physical well-being and community.

Stress in any one of these areas, such as financial stress due to inequitable pay, or community stress due to an unsafe work environment, can negatively impact a worker's mental health.

Leaders can do an audit, like through surveys and focus groups, to see if any of their company policies, structures, communications or programs negatively impact their employees' overall well-being. And when leaders introduce new programs or benefits, Harter says, leaders should connect the value of them to "those five elements, so people understand why you're providing various benefits, and why you're trying to provide an overall culture of thriving."

It's crucial CEOs communicate this priority from the top, Harter says, but managers play the biggest role in actually helping improve worker well-being throughout all levels of an organization.

"The most important thing employers can do is to equip managers to have the right kinds of conversations with people," Harter says. He says companies should be doing more to upskill their managers to facilitate meaningful and ongoing conversations. At least once a week, he says, managers should take the time to get to know their employees' personal lives, in addition to what they have going on at work and how the two intersect.

"What dictates employee engagement and high well-being is very situational," Harter says. "We have to equip them to have the right kinds of conversations so they can really impact people and help them find the resources they need."

Manager training should also be inclusive to recognize workers who need the most flexibility and support, for example, a mom who needs flexibility to do her best work while also taking on child care. Managers can not only point their employees to the best resources, but also be an advocate to senior leaders about introducing new policies or benefits that their workers don't have but need.

As Harter puts it, "managers are in the best position to understand their employees' life situation well enough to adjust the work to accommodate them."

Additionally, some organizations are investing in well-being coaches, seeing that employees who are fulfilled and secure in their personal lives can contribute to the business's success.

"Having leaders in an organization who authentically believe in improving worker well-being, that's important to culture," Harter says.

Check out: Workers could face new burnout symptoms when returning to the office—here's how employers can help

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  • By pault 2021-06-1518:2514 reply

    I was born in the US and lived abroad for 10 years before returning recently. It was a big and very demoralizing culture shock when I returned and, being in the habit of being friendly to strangers, saw how withdrawn and mistrusting people here have become. More so because I'm in Austin, TX, which is widely reported to be a friendly city. Everyone is so obsessed with work and virtue signalling. I didn't notice how competitive Americans are until I had a frame of reference to make the comparison. Living in South and Central America, my impression was that people are far more accepting regardless of whether you are a career professional or a not, or your hobbies or political alignment. In Belize I made a dozen good friends within six months of arriving, and I haven't made a single friend in three years here. I've been extremely depressed since I returned. I'm considering leaving again now that the lockdown has made remote work easier to come by (which was the primary reason I returned to the US in the first place). I'm not trying to slander Americans, and I understand that you can't make sweeping generalizations about any group of people, but the pressure and stress of our society is overwhelming.

    • By sharkweek 2021-06-1518:424 reply

      I spent some time in Central America radicalizi... err I mean traveling for fun, after college.

      One of the things that always stood out to me was how patient everyone generally was with one another.

      I remember riding around on chicken buses to get from town to town, and on more than one occasion, the bus would just pull over and the driver would get out, grab some lunch, talk to a friend. Nobody was in a rush.

      My friend that I was traveling with and I would stare at each other and be like "what the hell is going on?" as we looked around at everyone else on the bus and nobody seems to care at all that their day has this arbitrary delay. I can only imagine if a driver did that here in Seattle with 30+ people all trying to get somewhere.

      I like living in the US, I think it has some massive upsides, but I also think I'm a bit of a hostage to what I think my life is supposed to look like, versus simplification somewhere else.

      • By techsupporter 2021-06-1518:53

        > My friend that I was traveling with and I would stare at each other and be like "what the hell is going on?" as we looked around at everyone else on the bus and nobody seems to care at all that their day has this arbitrary delay. I can only imagine if a driver did that here in Seattle with 30+ people all trying to get somewhere.

        This does happen on Seattle-area transit, but definitely not on every route. Routes on the south end, both of Seattle and in south King County, are far more likely to have a couple of drivers who will pass each other and briefly pop open the door or slide open the window for a minute of chat. I've seen drivers taking their layover or lunch at Burien TC or TIBS who gab like old friends with any other drivers they encounter. But at Northgate or Aurora Village? Almost never happens.

        Back before the big restructure in advance of Capitol Hill and UW stations opening, I rode the 72 virtually every day. If I got a particular driver, I mentally built in a roughly 6-minute wait somewhere in Ravenna because he'd pass a friend out walking or also driving a bus and they'd chat. Same for the 4 through the Central District with a different driver.

        I like that transit has improved so much around here that it's easier and faster to get almost everywhere I'm going. But I also remember the quirks of transit past with that fondness of memory.

      • By jandrese 2021-06-1518:503 reply

        Can you imagine coming to a client meeting 30 minutes late and telling him that the bus driver decided on a whim stop halfway through the route to chat up an old friend?

        • By techsupporter 2021-06-1518:571 reply

          I mean, sure? How's that different from being 30 minutes late because someone dumped a load of frozen fish on the highway?

          This mad rush to be everywhere at a specific time, usually when tens of thousands of other people are also trying to be at a similar spot at the same time, is a major cause of people being traffic. Heck, as the pandemic has shown, we don't even really need to always be in the same physical place to have a meeting; technology can relieve us of that burden.

          My family gave up driving years ago, due to cost and stress, and it's been great largely for this reason. I don't worry about dealing with all of the people who have Very Important Places To Be. That's Metro's job, and they do it well.

          • By jandrese 2021-06-1519:052 reply

            It's all perspective. If there is an accident then that's kind of unavoidable. The bus driver however is just stealing half an hour from the dozen or more people under his care on a whim.

            • By kelnos 2021-06-1519:461 reply

              Right, but from the perspective of the bus rider, it's still unavoidable, as the rider can't control the bus driver. So I'd say it's still an acceptable excuse to give at the client meeting, unless there are other, more timely methods of transportation that you could reasonably be expected to take.

              In places where this is sort of thing is common, I wonder if people aren't bothered by it because they truly in their heart of hearts don't mind, or because they've just resigned themselves to the unpredictability of their transportation.

              • By ethbr0 2021-06-1522:19

                This reminds me (fondly) of the Caribbean.

                GP commenters is missing out that this is usually a culture-wide expectation.

                If you're 30 minutes late, you mention the bus, and your boss gives you a knowing smile. Because it happens to him too.

                Efficient? Less so. More relaxed? God yes.

            • By mgh2 2021-06-1519:27

              Exactly, the work ethic is definitely different in South America (grew up there)

        • By void_mint 2021-06-1519:051 reply

          > Can you imagine

          That's kinda the point. If it's culturally acceptable for this to be normal behavior, then yes, people _would_ accommodate such disruptions.

          • By jandrese 2021-06-1519:113 reply

            It is hard to imagine anything ever getting anything big done with this kind of attitude. If you have a project were one part being late holds up the rest of the project--which is most of them--an attitude like this is almost impossible to work with. It is ultimately a rather selfish lifestyle.

            • By void_mint 2021-06-1519:561 reply

              I mean...it's not really though. There are plenty of countries that don't have the rush/stress/demands of the US (aka what you're referring to as "this attitude") that are getting plenty "done".

              > attitude like this is almost impossible to work with.

              Again, in reality, it is not impossible and works well enough all over the world.

              > It is ultimately a rather selfish lifestyle.

              In response to a post about US workers being among the most stressed in the world, you're suggesting that alternative strategies are "selfish"?

              • By tharkun__ 2021-06-1523:31

                Disclaimer: not OP and I'm neither American nor South American.

                I think that yes really it is. I agree with the many people in this thread that say Americans are way over the top with rushing and stressing out over things and putting unreasonable demands on themselves and others.

                That said I completely agree that no its not fine for a regular bus driver to just stop and take his lunch and chat with friends just because he feels like it. That's would be what I agree is "this attitude" and selfish.

                However, in this particular case we might be talking Greyhound style long distance service and it might just be how this service route is planned out and everyone knows. Then it's fine.

                Context matters I would say.

                Made up example: your company has a rule to end all meetings 5 minutes before the scheduled end (for real, not just a fake rule to 'make people feel less stressed'). In this company, if you are late to your next meeting you better have a good explanation.

                Next company over no such rule exists and higher up regularly end their meetings late. Don't even expect me to make up an excuse when I come 5 minutes late to the next meeting.

            • By coryrc 2021-06-1519:291 reply

              Why do big things need to be done?

              Also, it's not like the US is doing a good job at getting big things done. 30 years for 50 miles of Seattle-area subway?

            • By thatfrenchguy 2021-06-160:10

              Given how late most projects, especially infrastructure projects, are in the US, I’m not sure we can give folks a lesson on that.

        • By KozmoNau7 2021-06-1521:08

          A route like that presumably doesn't run on a tight arrival time. The departure time will be set, but arrival time varies according to weather, traffic, road conditions and so on.

          You certainly wouldn't book any kind of meeting based on the expected arrival time, a healthy amount of buffer time would need to be calculated in, and that just gives you time to go to a local cafe before your meeting.

      • By Steltek 2021-06-1519:08

        Far from the norm but in Boston during the morning rush hour, I once had a driver pull over suddenly, exclaim "back in a minute folks!", and rush off the running bus into a restaurant. I think we all figured he had to hit the bathroom and most of us got a good chuckle out of it. When ya gotta go, right?

      • By fatnoah 2021-06-1616:55

        > I can only imagine if a driver did that here in Seattle with 30+ people all trying to get somewhere.

        I live on the East Coast and had a transit reverse commute for many years. I frequently rode an express bus in the evening on its last return journey from a suburb to the city, and was often the only rider. One day, the driver asked if I'd mind if he made a brief stop for a lotto ticket. I had no problem, so I said "sure". He was able return the favor one night when I was in a hurry but had to stop for groceries. He waited 15 minutes for me to grab some essentials. We got to know each other pretty well over the 18 months I rode the bus and made more than a few other stops as needed along the way.

    • By kwanbix 2021-06-1518:461 reply

      I personally LOVE LOVE LOVE USA, Miami in particular. I don't know why. Maybe is the weather, the beach, etc. I would love to live there and work one day.

      That said, three things worry me:

      1) How complicated the health industry is there. Being from Argentina where health is universal, or living now in Germany where is also universal, that is crazy for me.

      2) How easy you are fired and that you basically don't get any protection if you are. Again, here in Germany we have insurance that covers for many months, etc.

      3) How bad employees are treated there by (most but not all?) companies.

      Personal story. My sister, she had to travel in the middle of the pandemic to my home country as my father was sick. She asked for permission to work remotely for 3 weeks. She had to stay 2 more because my father's health was not the best. When she returned, the company told her that that is not what they expected of her and fired her on the spot. Now, I was in my home country so I know my sister worked all the normal hours and more, she was connected all the time, and giving her 120% (if such a thing exists). And still, they said, good by. Crazy.

      • By rcurry 2021-06-1519:552 reply

        Yeah, the health care system here is bonkers. It wasn't so bad back around 2008 or so, I had private health insurance for my wife and I, and it was only around $400 or so a month with almost no deductible. Then the government decided to make it "affordable" so it's almost triple that now, plus you'd have an insane deductible.

        • By thatfrenchguy 2021-06-160:161 reply

          Yeah, before, insurers could throw out people who have preconditions or have “maximum lifetime benefit”, obviously you were going to pay less in premiums. The bureaucracy / cost of new technologies have not made this any cheaper either, especially as cost-benefit analysis for new procedures and drugs is, somehow, not a thing in the US unlike everywhere else in the world.

          The US hates cutting costs via market intervention too (also see our crazy college costs problem), so until we decide to finally tackle it, they’ll keep on rising.

          • By esyir 2021-06-164:15

            Isn't the college cost problem a prime example of a market intervention? Special case undischargable debt that only applies to student loans.

        • By ethbr0 2021-06-1522:23

          Say what you want about the ACA, but it was the trajectory of US health expenditure (vs GDP per capita) that was the problem: increasing year by year.

          So doing nothing / business as usual wasn't a fiscally sustainable choice.

    • By anm89 2021-06-1518:291 reply

      That's one of the weirdest things you figure out traveling. There are really no rules to what life is. It can have a drastically different texture based on things about your environment that don't feel that meaningful when you just think "that's the way things always are" with no alternative to compare it to.

      • By pault 2021-06-1518:344 reply

        I encourage everyone to take an extended trip to a country with a different culture if they can afford it by any means. The greatest effect it has on you is making it obvious which aspects of your personality and values are just picked up from your surroundings. Every time I moved to a different region it stripped away a little bit of the parts of me that weren't really me, and left me feeling much more confident in my goals and desires, and generally more comfortable with who I am. You really can't put a price on this.

        • By ethbr0 2021-06-1522:281 reply

          Spain. France. Switzerland. Japan.

          - Sit in a cafe in the morning and watch people go to work.

          - Sit in a cafe in the afternoon and watch people go to lunch.

          - Sit in a cafe at night and watch people eat dinner.

          Really made me see and reflect on my own ways of going about them.

          • By t0mbstone 2021-06-1617:38

            I always find it interesting how people travel and sit in cafes to people watch, but they never do that in their own home towns.

            I would be willing to bet if you took a week off work and just went around relaxing at cafes in your home city, you would discover all sorts of interesting things and people without even having to leave the country.

            People are people, and you can find stressed out people everywhere. You can also find relaxed, easy going, loving people everywhere too, if you look hard enough.

        • By kzrdude 2021-06-1518:53

          Hm. I never heard anyone explain it so well before, or why, one would "find oneself" (sorry for using this awkward phrase..) in travelling. Thanks. :)

        • By anm89 2021-06-1519:14

          Yeah completely agree. Also forces you to admit to some of your personal faults.

        • By engineeringwoke 2021-06-1519:10

          It's very much a cliché but I did it as well. Cheers

    • By sybercecurity 2021-06-1519:151 reply

      Being older now (Gen X) I've noticed a change as well. I've wondered if the US culture has grown an unhealthy level of competition. Young people internalize lessons that the people around them (classmates, neighbors) are competitors for spots in prestigious programs and later, jobs. You're taught that you should be friendly, but not "too friendly" as you are going to need to be better than them to get what you want. I don't think this explicit, but something that is incentivized through grades, tests, and gamification of everyday life. That and the deepening divide between classes. If you don't get good grades, get into a good school, get a good job, etc. you may fall off the cliff into the lower classes. If that means you need to be ruthless in your social interactions, that's just the price.

      It's like we've decided to let psychopaths dictate how society operates.

      • By yks 2021-06-1519:311 reply

        I feel like it's just been a shortage of everything going on - the shortage of housing, traffic throughput, the shortage of physical space in the national parks, the shortage of good schools, good jobs. There are many more people, but no more infrastructure than before. And this naturally breeds competitiveness on the already fertile soil of American individualism.

        • By ethbr0 2021-06-1522:31

          Well said. And unsustainability / past benchmarking too.

          Everyone can't live in a single family home with 3 acres, if we have the priorities we say we want (liveable cities, etc).

    • By cocoa19 2021-06-1518:493 reply

      Your comments are spot on.

      I wouldn't say either one is good or bad, I've learnt to appreciate the differences.

      Having lived in latin America and the US, US feels more concerned about individualism, achievements and efficiency and it shows in friendships. Outings are organized days in advance, people are expected to show up on time, calendar invites are not unheard of.

      In latin America, life is more about family and being happy. You can call a friend the same day and enjoy a cold beer after work (some time after work, punctuality not required). I think people would laugh in my face if I tell them I'll send them a calendar invite.

      • By kelnos 2021-06-1519:57

        I think it just depends, though you may be right that this "regimented life" is more common in the US. For myself, I'm happy to jump out in the middle of the day if a friend wants to go on an impromptu walk. But if I am planning a get-together at my house with more than a couple people, I probably will send out a calendar invitation. Not because I think the other people need it, but I do like to put things on my calendar so I don't forget when things are going on, and it's only a couple extra seconds to add the guests to it, so I might as well.

        As another data point, I know people who are introverted and need a little mental preparation before seeing people, even good friends, so impromptu meetings can cause social anxiety.

        > You can call a friend the same day and enjoy a cold beer after work (some time after work, punctuality not required)

        I've definitely been trying to get better at the last part of this. People finish work at different times some days, sure. So it's fine to just head to the bar whenever you're done, and whoever gets there first will grab a table and just chill alone with a drink until the other person shows up, and that's the norm, not the exception. But I feel like most of the time (where I live) you try to figure out when both people will be done with work and then only meet when you can arrive at about the same time, creating unnecessary anxiety around punctuality.

      • By nightski 2021-06-1518:581 reply

        These are also gross generalizations and seem to revolve around American big city life which is selective (but to be fair is where the majority of our population lives).

        But in smaller cities I've been able to find a great balance of both. Work on ambitious ideas but spend evenings and free time with friends and family.

        • By pault 2021-06-1919:56

          Do you have any recommendations? :) I've been trying to find a big town or small city with lots of natural beauty and nice weather. I grew up in Seattle and refuse to live anywhere with more than 90 days of cloudy weather per year. One heuristic I've come up with is small towns that are sustained by natural tourism. They tend to be much more laid back, and people are happier and more social because of it. Whitefish, MO is one example, but unfortunately it's too cold for me. :)

      • By ridethebike 2021-06-1519:03

        Hi, Hope you're doing well.

        Wanna grab a drink?

    • By maedla 2021-06-1518:422 reply

      I always wonder how much the explosion of "true crime" media has contributed to American paranoia and fear

      • By spywaregorilla 2021-06-1519:08

        Can't hold a candle to the american news stations when it comes to paranoia and fear

      • By Hamuko 2021-06-1518:53

        True crime is pretty popular around the world.

    • By mrkstu 2021-06-1518:36

      If you live/can meet in the northern part of town I’d be happy to have lunch with you some time so you can at least have one friend in town… email is my username @ gmail.com.

    • By daenz 2021-06-1518:332 reply

      When "silence is violence" and "the personal is political", what can you expect? Everything is polarized and people want it to stay that way.

      • By ben_w 2021-06-1519:221 reply

        As a non-American who has visited for a total of four months, east and west coast, the political differences between America and other countries are way broader and deeper than just a few superficial memes. Especially those from young activist personalities, personalities which are present and busy in many other countries, each of which has its own zeitgeist.

        Your roads are scarily broad while your sidewalks are narrow and sometimes just stop suddenly; everyone seems to have a car even if they shouldn’t; the rules of the road seem to be treated as suggestions (at least for cars — jaywalking is verboten), while also being a source of arbitrary revenue precisely because everyone treats them as suggestions; “family” is a much stronger trope in America than in the U.K. or Germany, yet “I love you daddy” is a real Valentines’ day card I’ve actually seen, in a supermarket with many others like it in different variations of phrase and relative; guns feel like a trivial hobby or possession barely worth mentioning, and suggesting even the slightest of limits to the right to bear arms is one of the quickest ways to be compared to a 20th century dictator and some of the critics insisting “a well armed society is a polite society”; your billboards are covered in adverts for loans to cover bail costs, yet sex is hidden away; you’re as loud about Christianity as a minaret is about Islam, far more so than the churches and cathedrals I’ve seen around Europe; there is a constant bombardment of adverts for insurance and health products I don’t see elsewhere (everything from magic drugs to teeth so straight and white they could be a metaphor); there are regional things like the Californian everything-causes-cancer warnings matched only by one British tabloid newspaper; and yes, race related issues are so much louder and in-your-face that even I couldn’t miss them.

        (I know the U.K. seems weird to visiting Americans, because they’ve explicitly told me. But the U.K.’s weirdness is different to yours, just as the cultural pain-points are).

        • By ethbr0 2021-06-1522:39

          Thorough and accurate! I'd hazard the sharper edges of American culture stem from less constrained (and better funded) capitalism than other parts of the world.

          If someone can make a buck on it, it exists.

      • By zozbot234 2021-06-1519:26

        "Silence is violence" is such BS, the right to stay silent is literally enshrined in the Constitution. Let's not fall for that kind of extremist rhetoric.

        OTOH, I very much agree that the personal is political. Indeed, in an increasingly divisive and politicized society, simply tending to one's garden can be a powerful political statement.

    • By Milkman128 2021-06-1518:39

      I am mistrustful as hell. I'm guilty of this as an ohioan. To devils advocate my position, a higher stressed group is more desperate and more likely to screw me over?

      IDK but there is definitely an atmosphere of us vs them watch your back.

    • By SmellTheGlove 2021-06-1518:32

    • By sound1 2021-06-1519:231 reply

      I feel you brother. Even trust needs evidence in the age of social media :)

      • By sound1 2021-06-1519:31

        Reaplying to my own comment - if I were you I would relocate to a VERY cold states in US if I had options (and I don't) Good luck either way

    • By emerged 2021-06-1612:14

      I travel around the US working from different states/cities. The difference in behavior is astounding between the big and small cities. I have the absolute best experiences in small to mid sized towns, and in big cities everyone on the road and in person behaves sociopathically.

      It’s often beyond even simple competition / selfishness. You routinely see people going out of their way to be mean even when it doesn’t benefit them. But switch towns and the whole situation is flipped.

    • By failwhaleshark 2021-06-1518:393 reply

      I grew-up in San Jose, went to Davis, and came back to the Valley and commuted to Chico until 2019. Most Californians seemed bitter, angry, resentful, humorless, and ready to explode.

      I live in ATX now in overpriced, poorly-maintained apartments full of "stock-broker"-types, salespeople, managers, and software dev couples, and people who think they're hot sh%t either because of inheritance or university pedigree. $3k/month isn't like Valley prices; this is a 1400 sq ft cost-saver efficiency for me. I'd happily trade for a 3000 sq ft / $6k/month place if the people were more decent over there, if that's within the realm of reasonable expectations.

      There's no apparent stress of amongst the people with more money than sense, but there is stress amongst the hundreds of people living under I-35 when they've been told that their existence is illegal when they have nowhere else to go.

      • By celim307 2021-06-1519:002 reply

        The people you are describing are more a function of where you live, those people tend to congregate in what I calm “yuppie slums”, shitty made multi family units with names like “aloft” and “elevate” with art and random shit in the lobby. There’s a ton in every US city. And they are all the same.

        They attract people who don’t know the city very well and have a check list of amenities. When your lease is up I would encourage you to look at different neighborhoods, ideally a little away from the “revitalized former industrial/meatpacking district” which is probably bougie breweries and wine lounges now.

        • By failwhaleshark 2021-06-1615:391 reply

          Unfortunately, I may have mistakenly signed a lease in a yuppie slum in ATX because it was the only large apartment available.

          It's an "expensive" (for the area), boring, mixed-use development that gentrified an east side area, abutted right next to I-35 and neglected homeless (who's existence are now illegal thanks to hateful bandaid policies).

          And, it appears to be populated mostly by Millenial kidults who live to party hard, act like they're still in high school, got their jobs by lying on their resumes, let their dogs pee and poop in the common hallways, and live like their hedonism is more important than anything or anyone else. I dislike most of them because they resemble Seinfeldian, Kafkaesque caricatures and many offer nothing more than shallow, vapid, shitty, ignorant, infantile %sshole, consumerist, ephemerality manufactured by a steady diet of mass media and screen time.

          One woman walks around with one hand in the air like Peg Bundy from Married... with Children but seems like a WASP who works-out and dresses to climb up the next richest pole. She won't even acknowledge my presence with a friendly "hello."

          • By 1290cc 2021-06-1818:24

            This is what most of the apartments on the bay area peninsula are like.

            My wife and I realized very quickly that because we didnt fit into the corporate hierarchy of ivy league grad, VP at FANG corporation that we were not worth the time.

            Explored more of the bay area and found lovely people in other areas. Every now and then we get a peninsula type here but they move pretty quickly as they cant handle the unbridled good mornings and nobody starting a conversation with their resume credentials.

        • By tolbish 2021-06-1520:07

          Sounds like a result of poor urban planning. My travels have taught me that these generally aren't all stuffy people desiring "yuppie slums"—it just happens that these are the only types of housing available near where the jobs are.

      • By ethbr0 2021-06-1522:351 reply

        Haven't been to Austin lately, but this was my experience in Denver.

        It felt... like everyone from the Midwest in their 20s had moved to a city, to live what they took from their childhood TV to be a "hip" life, which developers therefore supplied in the most cost-effective way.

        Not to say that it isn't a hoot, or the food is bad... but it just had a "paint hasn't dried yet" weird new feeling to me.

        • By failwhaleshark 2021-06-1616:08

          Suburban Denver felt like stable, family-friendly Americana but odd compared to big cities. I noticed the majority of couples were short, plain-looking dudes with above-average attractive women.

      • By sngz 2021-06-1521:01

        Used to live in ATX as a software engineer and I had to move away from ATX precisely of the tech bro types moving in.

  • By SmellTheGlove 2021-06-1518:105 reply

    I wonder if the root causes here are closer to skyrocketing housing costs, healthcare risks, and relatively stagnant wages making it hard to de-risk the first two.

    The article mentions -

      By contrast, the daily stress levels for women in Western Europe went down in the last year, which researchers attribute to social safety nets for parents and workers to prevent unemployment.
    
    But then goes on to talk about the workplace. I don't think it's the workplace. I think it's the lack of psychological security as the middle class ceases to exist.

    • By kilroy123 2021-06-1518:131 reply

      Oh course it is. It's fight like hell not to drown.

      • By encoderer 2021-06-1519:081 reply

        I come from a lower-middle-class family in a decayed rustbelt city and this was never my experience. It's a big country and some places have it harder than others but I thought I'd add a counterpoint to what I honestly read as a pretty pessimistic take.

        • By kilroy123 2021-06-1522:15

          Then I would say you're very lucky. My entire family in California absolutely feels this way. Not everyone can be in tech.

    • By dcolkitt 2021-06-1518:541 reply

      The study found that the US and Canada had virtually identical stress levels. Therefore I doubt the healthcare system is the driving factor.

      Also considering that the least stressed country was Russia, I don’t think that wealth inequality or the lack of a middle class is a major driver either.

      • By r_u_erect2 2021-06-1519:25

        No, the study did not find that. The study for some reason decided to combine the us and Canadian answers.

        > U.S. and Canadian workers, whose survey data are combined in Gallup’s research, ranked highest for daily stress levels of all groups surveyed.

        There is simply no way that Canadian workers are as highly stressed as those in the us.

        EDIT: Lol why is this flagged?

    • By guerrilla 2021-06-1518:124 reply

      I'd add the general lack of a social safety net, at least compared to Europe. All those people can actually become homeless.

      • By SmellTheGlove 2021-06-1518:152 reply

        Sorry, I edited in that bit just now. But yeah, I agree with you. Hell, I work in tech and do okay, and yet the thought crosses my mind that things could go off the rails quickly. If I get sick, even my relatively good insurance means lots of out of pocket costs. Plus I can't work then, so I'll live on a fraction of my income since I have decent disability coverage. I'll be able to keep a roof over my head, but probably not a lot beyond that, which negatively affects my family - particularly my child, given skyrocketing education costs.

        It's a weird place when you think about it. And yet most days I accept this as normal.

        • By necrotic_comp 2021-06-1518:19

          yep - I second this. There's definitely a lurking thought about what'd happen if you're sick they find something or what happens if your landlord decides he doesn't want to rent your apartment any more, and now you have to move to a new neighborhood that's 30 minutes further away from work and less safe, or, god forbid if I had kids, in a worse district, etc. etc.

          I've been working at a high level for 15 years now and I feel like I'm just barely making it out of the swamp. I have no psychological safety because a single bad decision or an incident of bad luck could completely derail my life.

        • By wolverine876 2021-06-1519:55

          > And yet most days I accept this as normal.

          That is not a symptom, but the problem. People can normalize anything. You could normalize living like a medieval peasant - many people did. Smart people know they can just keep doing something and eventually others will accept it to a degree.

          You deserve better.

      • By throwkeep 2021-06-1518:206 reply

        Don't most US cities have social services that provide shelter, food and other assistance?

        [How nice that this is getting downvoted. It's a legit question. I have family members who are social workers and know these services exist, and it seems like it's most cities, but don't know for sure, hence the question mark.]

        • By dragontamer 2021-06-1518:231 reply

          Its hard enough to convince a friend to take unemployment checks, let alone go to a shelter or pull out a food-stamp debit card.

          There's a toxic culture in the USA that looks down upon welfare. For those people, welfare doesn't exist, even if they find themselves in that environment. And since they've convinced themselves that they'll never take welfare, they expect others to follow by their own rules.

          This culture leads to a particular anti-welfare voting pattern.

        • By reidjs 2021-06-1518:24

          True, but in many ways I am more afraid of living in a shelter than on the street, or more realistically, in my car. In your car at least you have some sense of ownership, safety, and personal space. In a shelter you are potentially surrounded by mentally ill unstable drug addicts. It makes sense that many people refuse to use shelters.

          This is coming from someone who has never lived in a shelter, so I may be wrong, but it's definitely my fear and a source of motivation when working not-great jobs.

        • By pault 2021-06-1518:28

          If you mean homeless shelters, yes, but they're horrible and most homeless (or underhoused) people would rather live in a tent than go there. The justifications given are usually assault, thievery, and not being able to bring any personal possessions. I can understand why someone wouldn't want to stay in a shelter if it meant leaving all of their belongings unattended (if you're homeless you probably don't have a storage space or a friend's garage).

        • By kelnos 2021-06-1518:25

          Most of them are overcrowded and often over capacity. People wait in line before they open and are sometimes turned away when they're full.

        • By ranma4703 2021-06-1518:251 reply

          Most US cities have a policy of buying homeless people one way tickets to another city, and if they do provide homeless shelters, they are often full, underfunded, and have issues that make using them difficult

          • By belatw 2021-06-1519:091 reply

            This is only partially true. There is no “policy” aim any city do do this.

            What does happen is that charity groups like catholic churches or st vincent de paul will buy homeless and runaways one-way tickets, but only if they have a verifiable destination.

        • By goat_whisperer 2021-06-1518:44

          lol

      • By viro 2021-06-1519:251 reply

        You might want to look up the homeless rates in the EU...

        • By dougmwne 2021-06-1519:49

          I just did and it seems generally lower than the USA in quite a few countries. When you look state by state and country by country it becomes clear it's highly localized to certain urban areas. Plus there seems to be a difference in reporting (Germany for instance counts hundreds of thousands of asylum seeking refugees).

      • By foobarian 2021-06-1518:532 reply

        Is anyone really that surprised? The United States were built exactly by the folks who wanted to opt out of the overbearing, coddling European system, and it shows.

        • By lordnacho 2021-06-1519:013 reply

          But that European system was built long after the US became independent?

          • By gambiting 2021-06-1519:071 reply

            Yeah. The truth is literally the exact opposite of what they said - early puritan settlers left for America specifically because they wanted to be controlling and overbearing and the European states they set off from were less and less welcoming to this kind of thing.

            • By foobarian 2021-06-1519:25

              Perhaps. I contend that the main waves of immigration in the 18-20th centuries consisted of opportunists well above average.

          • By foobarian 2021-06-1519:23

            There is more to it than the post-war social-democratic systems in Western Europe. Going back centuries there was never a way to up and move to an uncontrolled space and start anew like on the American continent. The entire European continent was under tight control by whatever authority there was whether church or feudal, with restrictions on movement, residence, and labor.

          • By ajmadesc 2021-06-1519:071 reply

            But Americans aren't educated outside of stem

            > And it shows

            • By viro 2021-06-1519:29

              what's the homeless rate in Sweden ? Netherlands? France? I'll leave out Germany since thats a little unfair.

        • By dougmwne 2021-06-1519:541 reply

          That does not even seem close to being true. I think more accurately it was a reaction against an established aristocratic and monarchial system that wouldn't share power with a new growing colonial upper class. Don't think the English were codling the peasants much back then.

          • By foobarian 2021-06-1520:18

            Ok, overbearing before WW2, coddling after, then? :-) Either way the effect was to drive the more ambitious layer out which I think seeded a very skewed culture relative to their origin.

    • By dilyevsky 2021-06-1518:361 reply

      If you think us housing is skyrocketing wait until you see european prices

      • By CobrastanJorji 2021-06-1520:16

        If I lose my job in Europe, I have trouble paying for my home. If I lose my job in America, I can no longer get prescription medicine to keep myself alive.

    • By sneak 2021-06-1518:402 reply

      Wages are no longer stagnant, though they were until about a year ago.

      Presently we have seen 4 consecutive quarters of substantial y/y wage growth in the US.

      • By rch 2021-06-1518:58

        I was curious about median wage growth and found graph of the ratio of median to average:

        https://www.ssa.gov/oact/cola/central.html

      • By ajmadesc 2021-06-1519:061 reply

        Is that adjusted for rise in costs?

        What counts as substantial?

        • By sneak 2021-06-1520:401 reply

          It's not adjusted for anything, just in actual figures.

          Per a blog I read:

          Q1 2021 wages were 7.7% higher than Q1 2020 wages.

          Q4 2020 wages were 7.7% higher than Q4 2019 wages.

          Q3 2020 wages were 6.2% higher than Q3 2019 wages.

          Q2 2020 wages were 6.5% higher than Q2 2019 wages.

          It remains to be seen how bad the general consumer goods price increases will end up being.

          • By ajmadesc 2021-06-166:36

            Oh cool! Much more than I would've suspected. Thanks for sharing

  • By dcolkitt 2021-06-1519:022 reply

    Be very careful, before drawing any conclusions, to note that the study is only counting workers.

    This is particularly relevant because European economies have significantly higher unemployment rates. Especially long-term youth unemployment. This makes any difference of European and American workers an apples to orange comparison.

    You could have a low-skilled 23 year old American working a dead-end McJob. His counterpart in Italy is unable to get any work, has a pittance of disposable income and is stuck living with his parents. Only one is being counted.

    We don’t really know who’s more miserable. It’s quite possible the unemployed European still has it better than the Wal-Mary greeter. But the point is this survey doesn’t tell us, because it’s excluding the unemployed from the respondent pool.

    • By theptip 2021-06-1519:20

      This is a spot on point, with respect to the OP.

      I was curious, and after a quick search it seems Gallup has a poll from 2019 that's more generic (across the whole population), and it points in the same direction:

      Summary: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/americans-are-some...

      Original report press release: https://news.gallup.com/poll/249098/americans-stress-worry-a...

      I haven't taken the time to dig in to specific countries or demographic groups, I would be interested to compare, as you did, youth groups in US vs. FR for example.

    • By standardUser 2021-06-1519:052 reply

      People like to make a big deal of out the "higher" rate of unemployment in Europe, but for the most part we're talking about a difference of 1-4 percent.

      • By theptip 2021-06-1519:261 reply

        Random Google-searched data source pulling from World Bank data says 8% in USA, 18% in EU in 2019:

        https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/youth_unemployment... https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/youth_unemployment...

        Double-clicking in, looking at France, Germany, Italy, Spain: only Germany has sub-20% unemployment (better than the USA actually).

        This seems to contradict your point. Where are you getting 1-4% from? I'm not sure if there's a "definition of unemployment" difference going on here?

        • By standardUser 2021-06-1519:581 reply

          Those links are for youth unemployment rate. I don't know how those are calculated across different countries. The "regular" unemployment rate is supposed to have some level of reliability for cross-national comparisons, and I don't know if that holds true for other metrics.

          Looking at the overall unemployment rates, you'll see the variation is mostly in the 1-4% range.

      • By viro 2021-06-1519:32

        what about the significantly higher homelessness rates?

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