Pasta Cooking Time

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I generally find the numbers printed on pasta boxes for cooking time far too high: I'll set the timer for a minute below their low-end "al dente" time, and when I taste one it's already getting too…

I generally find the numbers printed on pasta boxes for cooking time far too high: I'll set the timer for a minute below their low-end "al dente" time, and when I taste one it's already getting too mushy. I decided to run a small experiment to get a better sense of how cooked I like pasta.

I decided to use Market Basket Rigatoni. [1] It's a ridged cylinder, and I measured the ridges at 1.74mm:

And the valleys at 1.32mm:

The box recommends 13-15 minutes:

This is a house brand pasta from a chain centered in a part of the country with a relatively high Italian-American population, so you might think they'd avoid the issue where Americans often cook pasta absurdly long:

I boiled some water, put in the pasta, and starting at 9min I removed a piece every 15s until I got to 14:30:

Here's the minute-by-minute, cut open so you can see the center of the noodles:

My family and I tried a range of noodles, trying to bisect our way to the ideal cooking time. I was happiest at 10m15s, but ok between 9m15s and 11m30s. Julia thought 9m45s was barely underdone, while 11m45s was barely overdone. Anna liked 10m30s. Lily didn't like any of them, consistently calling them "too crunchy" up through 10m45s and then "too mushy" for 11m0s and up. Everyone agreed that by 12m45s it was mushy.

Instead of 13-15min, a guideline of 10-12min would make a lot more sense in our house. And, allegedly, the glycemic index is much lower.

My mother and her siblings grew up in Rome, and I wrote asking about what they'd noticed here. My uncle replied "my bias is that Americans are wimps for soft pasta" and the others agreed.

I tried using a cheap microscope to investigate, whether there were interesting structural differences, but even with an iodide stain I couldn't make out much. Here's 3min:

And 7min:

And 13min:

On the other hand, the kids and I did have fun with the microscope.


[1] We called these "hospital noodles" growing up, because when my mother had been in a hospital for a long time as a kid (recovering from being hit by an impatient driver while crossing the street) they had served Rigatoni as their primary pasta shape.

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  • By jillesvangurp 2025-09-3019:585 reply

    I don't tend to look at the clock for pasta. I just eyeball it and sample it. You can sort of see the pasta turning whiter from the outside in. Especially with my regular goto brands, I can see when it is done. I fish some out with a fork to verify usually when it's getting close.

    And I generally mix it with some sauce and it might sit in there for some minutes. So the cooking process actually continues after you remove it from the water. Cooking a bit longer in the sauce and shorter in the water is going to help the flavor and texture. There's no point in being hyper precise about the cooking time and then letting it sit for five minutes or whatever in the sauce. Nobody ever measures that time. Add pasta water to loosen the sauce if it absorbs too much.

    Speaking of pasta water, use less water for boiling paste; not more. Many TV cooks get this completely wrong. They'll dump 100 grams of pasta in a gallon of water. Complete waste of time, energy, and salt (assuming they season the water correctly).

    Especially if you plan to use the starchy water for your sauce, you need to use as little water as you can get away with. If you use too much water, there's not going to be a lot of starch in there. If it still looks like clear water by the time your pasta is cooked, you used way too much water. You might as well just use tap water for your sauce. The water should be cloudy not clear. As long as it doesn't cook dry, it's fine. About 2-3x the dry weight should be plenty for most pasta types. Restaurants tend to reuse their pasta water for multiple batches of pasta so they'll use more water. But the water has lots of starch after a few batches.

    • By CharlesW 2025-09-3020:385 reply

      > Speaking of pasta water, use less water for boiling past[a]…

      Or skip the boiling completely: https://www.seriouseats.com/food-lab-no-boil-baked-ziti-reci...

      "But who's to say that these two phases, water absorption and protein denaturing, have to occur at the same time? H. Alexander Talbot and Aki Kamozawa of the fantastic blog Ideas in Food asked themselves that very question, and what they found was this: You don't have to complete both processes simultaneously. In fact, if you leave uncooked pasta in lukewarm water for long enough, it'l absorb just as much water as boiled pasta."

      • By GloriousKoji 2025-09-3021:26

        I prefer to cook pasta like rice and starting it in cold water brought to a boil and then a simmer: https://altonbrown.com/recipes/cold-water-pasta-method/

      • By cpfohl 2025-10-0111:57

        This is how I lasagna. Warm water soak to rehydrate (I do use my kettle to speed things up).

        I realize baked ziti (your link) and lasagna are basically the same thing, but it felt worth calling out. It makes for a much faster prep stage. I do the prep work after my family leaves for the day in the morning, then dinner is just preheating and popping it in the oven

      • By Terr_ 2025-10-0110:11

        Sounds like a way to trade preparation time for energy expenditure, if it lets you minimize the amount of water you need to boil.

        You'll probably need some extra water just to ensure even heating, but if the pasta is already rehydrated, then you no longer have to include a safety margin for water to be absorbed.

      • By triceratops 2025-10-011:202 reply

        If you do that aren't you just eating uncooked flour and egg?

        • By marak830 2025-10-013:302 reply

          It cooks in the liquid from the surrounding ingredients. You can do this with a sufficiently wet enough Lasagna quite easily.

          • By teekert 2025-10-0110:15

            Indeed we regularly eat "oven pasta", the raw pasta goes in to a sauce into the oven. 30-40 mins and it is al dente (with crispy cheese on top).

          • By triceratops 2025-10-0114:16

            Ah ok I missed that your link was for ziti. I thought you were talking about spaghetti or other non-baked pastas where you typically just pour sauce over.

        • By TychoCelchuuu 2025-10-013:51

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      • By kseistrup 2025-10-0111:39

        It would be interesting to let it absorb water at ambient temperature, then let koji do the job with the proteins.

    • By Arch-TK 2025-09-3023:132 reply

      With long pasta it's not hard, with a tiny bit of experience and attention, to learn how it physically behaves when it's either done or close to it. It's about as easy to learn (experientially) how much it changes minute by minute at that point.

      I will stir it to see how it behaves, as soon as I catch it behaving like pasta which is may be al dente I will sample it, if it's still a bit too hard, I can more or less tell if it's going to be one or two minutes. I'm aiming for almost-too-hard al dente to compensate for any further cooking.

      Stop even a bit early if you'll be finishing the pasta in the sauce.

      I think attempting to formalise cooking techniques is a funny sort of thing... The people trying to do it are clearly into cooking, but if you really enjoy cooking, you're probably better off learning these things intuitively and spending your time learning other skills to expand your general cooking ability.

      • By cortesoft 2025-10-013:301 reply

        > I think attempting to formalise cooking techniques is a funny sort of thing... The people trying to do it are clearly into cooking, but if you really enjoy cooking, you're probably better off learning these things intuitively and spending your time learning other skills to expand your general cooking ability.

        Some people like to create rules and systems for things, some people like to grow their intuition. Everyone can cook how they want.

        • By lstodd 2025-10-016:11

          There is too much variation in ingredients for any sort of formal rules.

          If you strive for excellence, pasta cooking time is the least of your concerns, selection and knowledge of ingredients is. It gets internalized and feels just like intuition.

          If you don't, generally just put pasta into boiling water and wait for T-1m where T is what's written on the package. It will be good enough.

      • By cpfohl 2025-10-0112:001 reply

        I hear your point on formalization, but I do find that understanding the science behind various techniques has helped my ability to Freeform in the kitchen significantly.

        • By Arch-TK 2025-10-0116:321 reply

          While it's an interesting article, I don't think there's much science going on. There's one variable barely controlled for, compared to the dozen or so variables which weren't controlled.

          • By cpfohl 2025-10-0119:20

            This is responding to Food Lab.

    • By kqr 2025-10-018:113 reply

      > use less water

      I agree, but want to note that this requires more actively stirring the pasta. The reason for the suggestion of lots of water is it allows the pasta to move freely on its own, meaning it stirs itself with the motion of the boiling water.

      Stirring the pasta is important to make it cook more evenly and to help it release starch into the water.

      • By jillesvangurp 2025-10-0118:37

        The water will indeed cool down when you put the pasta in. Using a lid can help with this though and bring it back to boiling quicker. I usually don't bother with this. And the pasta will still absorb water if it's close to boiling instead of boiling. And since I check visually and by tasting whether it is done it's not that big of a deal. Stirring is part of that. I do that in any case to make sure things don't stick to the bottom.

        Anyway, that's just my process. There is no wrong or right here. And you brought up a fair point of the pasta cooling down the water. My mode with this is that a lot of Italian nonnas wouldn't have a lot of fancy kitchen equipment anyway. Like fancy timers or even a clock. A lot of Italian recipes is primarily about good ingredients and celebrating those. Not about tools, techniques, or Michelin star nonsense. So, I try not to overthink it. If it tastes good, I'm happy.

      • By Ntrails 2025-10-0112:31

        Large amounts of water also ensure the rolling boil is retained (ie the pasta doesn't cool the water much on insertion). I generally consider that rather more important for, say, a ravioli than plain pasta though

      • By tmountain 2025-10-018:461 reply

        Most pasta labels specify what seems like a ridiculous water to pasta ratio. Something like 4-6 quarts of water for a pound of pasta. Does anyone know if there's a good reason for this? I never use that much.

        • By wodenokoto 2025-10-018:50

          It’s what you’d use in a restaurant where you are cooking pasta in the water all day and therefore built up a lot of starch in the water. At least according to Kenji Lopez.

          I guess that means you don’t want the first pasta order of the day.

    • By BenFranklin100 2025-10-014:22

      After cooking many pasta dishes over the years, I’ve gotten good enough that I know when it’s done just by feeling it through the stirrer handle. One can even distinguish between al dente vs done.

    • By themafia 2025-10-012:532 reply

      There should be a spaghetti cooker that works like a rice cooker. I put in the precise amount of water and then when it's all absorbed it signals me that it is done.

      • By laurencerowe 2025-10-013:062 reply

        I've been cooking variations on this lazy Instant Pot spaghetti recipe for a few years now. I expect Italians would be horrified but it's extremely low effort and very tasty! https://thesaltymarshmallow.com/instant-pot-spaghetti/

        I substitute the can of sauce for a 28oz can of tomatoes, and cook some onion and garlic in with mince instead of adding onion and garlic powder.

        • By chongli 2025-10-0111:43

          Instant Pot pasta is fun when you nail it but it’s so difficult to get right because the cook times vary so much with the quantity of food being cooked. If you’re like me and you vary the number of servings you cook all the time then the Instant Pot is pretty bad for this.

        • By culopatin 2025-10-013:54

          The pictures are not selling that well at all. Looks about 2min overcooked.

      • By adrian_b 2025-10-018:44

        You do not really need a cooker with fancy sensors to achieve perfectly reproducible cooking.

        If you use a microwave oven for cooking, then for rice, pasta or any other kind of cereal-based ingredient, e.g. maize meal or semolina, you just need to determine once the correct amount of added water (e.g. for rice or maize meal I use water that is 4 times their weight, while cooking in a covered glass vessel), of microwave power and of cooking time in your oven.

        Then you can cook forever always using those parameters and the result will be just right every time.

  • By notindexed 2025-09-3013:197 reply

    You do not cook pasta by cooking time.

    “La pasta vuole compagnia” Pasta needs company! Never leave it alone, keep stiring once in a while and keep testing them.

    Best to drain it before you think it's "good" or al dente cause paste keeps cooking after beeing drained due to the heat and moisture/vapor.

    Also, most good pasta dishes get their final cooking in a large pan in the sauce with some cooking water. So usually you drain em when they are still a bit hard in the inside and finish the cooking in the pan.

    Italian nonas are rollin in the grave. Good HN article nontheless

    • By Tox46 2025-09-3013:281 reply

      Cooking time can be a good indicator. If it says 10 minutes you can start to check it out by 8 and decide from there.

    • By JumpCrisscross 2025-09-3021:471 reply

      > You do not cook pasta by cooking time

      I learned this the hard way moving to an altitude where water boils around 200°F. Just threw out the timers and started obsessively tasting. Flip side is I make fresh pasta more often because the active work of kneading and shaping is more interesting than standing around eating uncooked pasta.

      • By ch4s3 2025-10-013:121 reply

        That would be really unfortunate if you were trying to make a pour over coffee at 205°F.

        • By waste_monk 2025-10-015:151 reply

          I see plenty of "glove box"-type lab equipment which has an airtight enclosure (often rated to some degree of vacuum), and gloves which allow handling of things inside. Surely it wouldn't be too hard to DIY such an enclosure, but pressurise it to 1 ATM instead? E.g. a small air compressor and a relief valve set to ~15psi or so?

          I am thinking that you would put a kettle of water inside, pressurise the container, and then boil the kettle (would need a power or gas line installed) and make the coffee using the handling gloves. Then depressurise the container and retrieve the beverage.

          I'm no engineer so I would be interested to know if this would set me down a path of "you'll accidentally maim yourself", but I wouldn't think you'd need anything fancy or hazardous in terms of materials or engineering, given most human-made structures exist at 1atm.

          Would probably need to be careful to let the coffee sit for a few minutes to avoid flash-boiling it though, unless you're adding cold milk.

          • By lstodd 2025-10-0114:43

            A strange way to reimplement a pressure cooker. Can work of course.

    • By fscaramuzza 2025-10-018:271 reply

      Well, Italian *nonnas rarely used more than one pan for cooking, and it was very common to just put pasta without the sauce in the plate, and a generous spoonful of sauce on top. This is what you used to find in restaurants, too.

      The cooking water in the large pan is a rather new thing. Or maybe it's something just from my region :)

      • By psini 2025-10-019:171 reply

        Can't speak for all italian regions as there are many differences; but this "spooning some sauce over naked pasta" right on the plate always struck me as positively un-italian. I would always expect the pasta and sauce to be mixed in the kitchen, and the pasta to be completely coated in sauce when the plate reached my table. Maybe it's something italian-american ?

        • By whizzter 2025-10-019:42

          It might be a potato culture thing as it was historically common when pasta showed up on shelves in Sweden that the older generation just went with the instructions separately, cooking pre-peeled potatoes loses so much of it's flavor so if boiled, it's done so separately, getting a new ingredient you probably do it as you've always done.

    • By SOLAR_FIELDS 2025-10-0111:35

      Many years ago I dated someone from an Italian family and they taught me to literally throw a strand of the pasta against the wall and watch how it sticks/bounces to test the doneness. To this day I think it’s a bit ridiculous but it does have some logic to it. Would be easier to just… bite into the pasta to test.

    • By alexjplant 2025-09-3019:482 reply

      True facts. Make a pan sauce while your pasta is cooking then throw it straight inwith some of the starchy water to thicken things up.

      I die inside every time somebody dumps a jar of Ragu into a drained pot of overcooked spaghetti. Hell, there are ways to dress up jar sauce in a one-pot fashion that only take a few minutes more but a lot of people simply aren't interested. Conversely I'm sure there's stuff that I do that others cringe at - my guitar-playing buddy probably feels the same way every time I drag my digital rig onto stage instead of real amp and pedalboard.

      • By the_sleaze_ 2025-10-0114:28

        It's like white people tacos vs food-truck tacos. It used to be gauche but has now become its own standard. You can like white people tacos and food truck tacos.

        Try dumping the pasta into the strainer, then putting a layer of olive oil across the bottom of the dry pan like youre about to shallow fry something. Then shallow fry the canned sauce in teh olive oil. It should splatter and hiss. Then dump the pasta in.

        Is it legit? No. Is it good and easy? Yup.

      • By walthamstow 2025-09-3020:324 reply

        > I die inside every time somebody dumps a jar of Ragu into a drained pot of overcooked spaghetti.

        I can give you even worse than that. It was common in the 00s in Britain, maybe still is, to serve pasta as a bowl of plain, dry boiled spaghetti with sauce poured on top.

        • By kimixa 2025-09-3023:55

          As a brit growing up at a similar time I assumed that was an American thing - you saw it all the time on TV and adverts, but seems crazy to actually serve it like that. It was always served by my parents already coated in sauce.

          Looking back, I suspect it was more that the contrast of the sauce and spaghetti colours made it "pop" more onscreen. Though it's possibly unsurprising that could feed /back/ into how people thought it "should" be served.

        • By imiric 2025-10-019:11

          I actually don't mind that. It allows me to choose the pasta-sauce ratio in every bite. The taste difference from when pasta is soaked in sauce is negligible IME.

          Plus, I freeze my sauce separately from the pasta. Freezing pasta and then reheating it makes it mushy. Whereas I can always reheat the sauce and cook fresh pasta in minutes. Which also allows me to use a different type of pasta every time.

        • By laurencerowe 2025-10-013:12

          This was my experience growing up in Britain in the 90s. Fortunately one of my housemates at university worked in kitchens made a point of showing me how much tastier it was when the pasta was properly coated with the sauce.

        • By stephenr 2025-10-016:01

          > It was common in the 00s in Britain, maybe still is, to serve pasta as a bowl of plain, dry boiled spaghetti with sauce poured on top.

          Friends (the US show) had a scene where a supposed CHEF did this when cooking for her parents, in the mid-late 90s.

    • By delta_p_delta_x 2025-09-3013:273 reply

      Don't know why this was downvoted.

      My best pasta comes from when I start testing it roughly 9 minutes in. Pasta softness depends on water softness, salinity, even ambient air pressure (though I am decidedly a low-lying person). Also pasta shape, and even quantity of pasta in the container (unless you have one of those huge boilers used in restaurants).

      The instructions on the box tend to overcook my pasta well beyond al-dente.

      Also, to all pasta lovers: please try trafilata al bronzo pasta from places like La Molisana, De Cecco, Garofalo, Rummo, and more.

      • By octo888 2025-09-3013:434 reply

        Isn't De Cecco pretty mid? It's found in every supermarket in the UK for example

        • By bpicolo 2025-09-3013:55

          It’s a high quality mass market brand. I have tried a large number of more expensive brands, but none have beat De Cecco for me in terms of consistency and quality.

        • By asimpletune 2025-09-3019:26

          De Cecco is great for a big brand. The best way to know if a dry pasta is good is by the color. The more pale (i.e. less yellow) the better. This is because a more costly, slower drying method preserves the original color better.

        • By dfxm12 2025-09-3019:16

          Yeah, there's more to good (extruded and dried) pasta than bronze dies. The ingredients of the pasta, quality of the flour and drying technique are important too.

          That said, taste is subjective.

        • By delta_p_delta_x 2025-09-3019:18

          Fair point. Ergo the other brands. I am partial to La Molisana and Garofalo, the latter mainly because I can get 1 kg packets of penne and spaghetti.

      • By Hikikomori 2025-09-3021:15

        Rummo is my favourite grocery store pasta.

      • By PastaEater 2025-10-0521:49

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    • By octo888 2025-09-3013:36

      Eye-talians probably downvoting this LOL. Confused by a bit of basic Italian

      it's nonna* though ;)

  • By foofoo12 2025-09-3013:514 reply

    Pasta is a bit like toast. It's undercooked for most of the time and only ready for a tiniest fraction of the time. The rest of the time it's overdone.

    Although I heard a reason for the toast thing the other day. As it slowly toasts it gets a tiny bit darker. Once darker it doesn't reflect as much energy, hence absorbs it and result is exponential roasting levels.

    • By bromuro 2025-10-012:06

      It depends a lot from the quality of the pasta. some are more generous with the time and will get overcooked more gently.

    • By kqr 2025-10-018:17

      This is one of the reasons to finish it in the sauce. It spends slightly longer ready when finished in the sauce.

    • By jjgreen 2025-10-0110:431 reply

      Overdone toast, no such thing; the blacker the better. [Dirty looks from SO.]

      • By foofoo12 2025-10-038:17

        I once heard that burnt toast was carcinogenic. Might want to check that.

    • By CGMthrowaway 2025-09-3023:14

      Same with avocados

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