Boom, bubble, bust, boom. Why should AI be different?

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The AI revolution is three years old Nov. 30. In just 36 months AI has gone from great-new-toy, to global phenomenon, to where we are today - debating whether we are in one of the biggest technology…

The artificial intelligence revolution will be only three years old at the end of November. Think about that for a moment. In just 36 months AI has gone from great-new-toy, to global phenomenon, to where we are today – debating whether we are in one of the biggest technology bubbles or booms in modern times.

To us what’s happening is obvious. We both covered the internet bubble 25 years ago. We’ve been writing about – and in Om’s case investing in – technology since then. We can both say unequivocally that the conversations we are having now about the future of AI feel exactly like the conversations we had about the future of the internet in 1999. 

We’re not only in a bubble but one that is arguably the biggest technology mania any of us have ever witnessed. We’re even back reinventing time. Back in 1999 we talked about internet time, where every year in the new economy was like a dog year – equivalent to seven years in the old. 

Now VCs, investors and executives are talking about AI dog years – let’s just call them mouse years –  which is internet time divided by five? Or is it by 11? Or 12?   Sure, things move way faster than they did a generation ago. But by that math one year today now equals 35 years in 1995. Really? 

We’re also months, not years, from the end of the party. We may be even closer than that.  NVIDIA posted better than expected earnings on Wednesday. And it briefly looked like that would buoy all AI stocks. It didn’t. 

All but Alphabet have seen big share declines in the past month. Microsoft is down 12 percent, Amazon is down 14 percent, Meta is down 22 percent, Oracle is down 24 percent, and Corweave’s stock has been almost cut in half, down 47 percent. Investors are increasingly worried that everyone is overspending on AI.

All this means two things to us: 1)The AI revolution will indeed be one of the biggest technology shifts in history. It will spark a generation of innovations that we can’t yet even imagine. 2) It’s going to take way longer to see those changes than we think it’s going to take right now. 

Why? Because we humans are pretty good at predicting the impact of technology revolutions beyond seven to ten years. But we’re terrible at it inside that time period. We’re too prone to connect a handful of early data points, to assume that’s the permanent slope of that line and to therefore invest too much too soon. That’s what’s going on right now.

Not only does the AI bubble in 2025 feel like the internet bubble in 1999, the data suggests it may actually be larger. The latest estimates for just global AI capital expenditures plus global venture capital investments already exceed $600 billion for this year. And in September Gartner published estimates that suggested all AI-related spending worldwide in 2025 might top $1.5 trillion.  

I had ChatGPT (of course) find sources and crunch some numbers for the size of the internet bubble in 1999 and came up with about $360 billion in 2025 dollars, $185 billion in 1999 dollars.  

The spending is also happening in a fraction of the time. The internet bubble took 4.6 years to inflate before it burst. The AI bubble has inflated in two-thirds the time. If the AI bubble manages to actually last as long as the internet bubble – another 20 months – just spending on AI capital expenses by the big tech companies is projected to hit $750 billion annually by the end of 2027, 75 percent more than now. 

That means total AI spending for 2029 would be well over $1 trillion.  One of the things both of us have learned in our careers is that when numbers are so large they don’t make sense, they usually don’t make sense. 

Sure, there are important differences between the internet bubble and the AI bubble. History rhymes. It doesn’t repeat. A lot of the early money to build AI data centers and train LLMs has been coming out of the giant bank accounts of the big tech companies. The rest has been largely financed by private professional investors. 

During the internet bubble, public market investors, especially individuals, threw billions at tiny profitless companies betting they’d develop a business before the money ran out. And dozens of telecom startups borrowed hundreds of billions to string fiber optic cables across oceans and continents betting that exploding internet usage would justify that investment. 

Neither bet happened fast enough for investors and lenders. Most of the dot coms were liquidated. Most of the telecom companies declared bankruptcy and were sold for pennies on the dollar.

But does that make the AI bubble less scary than the internet bubble? Not to us. It actually might be scarier. The amounts at risk are greater, and the exposure is way more concentrated. Microsoft, Alphabet, Meta, Amazon, NVIDIA, Oracle and Apple together represent roughly a third of the value of the critical S&P 500 stock market index. More importantly, over the last six months the spending has become increasingly leveraged and nonsensical. 

None of these companies has proven yet that AI is a good enough business to justify all this spending. But the first four are now each spending $70 billion to $100 billion a year to fund data centers and other capital intensive AI expenses. Oracle is spending roughly $20 billion a year. 

If the demand curve shifts for any or all of these companies, and a few of them have to take, say a $25 billion write down on their data center investments, that’s an enormous amount of money even for these giants. 

And when you add in companies like OpenAI, AMD and CoreWeave plus the slew of other LLM and data center builders, their fortunes look incredibly intertwined. If investors get spooked about future returns from any one of those companies, the contagion could spread quickly. 

Yes, by one measure AI stocks aren’t over valued at all. Cisco’s P/E peaked at 200 during the internet bubble. NVIDIA’s P/E is about 45. The P/E of the NASDAQ-100 is about 35 now. It was 73 at the end of 1999. But looking at the S&P 500 tells a scarier story. Excluding the years around Covid-19, the last time the P/E ratio of that index was as high as it is now – about 24 – was right before the internet bubble popped in March 2000.   

Here are two other worrisome differences between then and now: 

1) The overall US economic, social and political situation is much more unstable than it was 25 years ago. Back then the US was still basking in the glow of having won the Cold War. It had the most dominant economy and stable political standing in the world. Today economic growth is slower, the national debt and government spending have never been higher, and the nation is more politically divided than it has been in two generations. 

2)The AI revolution is becoming a major national security issue. That ties valuations to the current unpredictability of US foreign policy and tariffs. China has become as formidable a competitor to the US in AI as the Soviet Union was to the US in the 1950s and 1960s. It doesn’t require much imagination to think about what might happen to the US AI market should China come up with a technical advance that had more staying power than the DeepSeek scare at the beginning of this year.

Even OpenAI’s Sam Altman, Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon, and just this week, Alphabet’s Sundar Pichai are now acknowledging they are seeing signs of business excess. Pichai said the following to the BBC on Tuesday: “Given the potential for this technology (AI), the excitement is very rational. It is also  true that when we go through these investment cycles there are moments where we overshoot …. We can look back at the internet right now. There was clearly a lot of excess investment. But none of us would question whether the internet was profound …. It fundamentally changed how we work as a society. I expect AI to be the same.” 

When will the mania end? There’s hundreds of billions of dollars of guaranteed but unspent capital in the system, which suggests it will go on well into 2026. But in times like these a secular investor sentiment change can happen in a matter of weeks, driving down stock prices, driving up the cost of capital, and making every financial model that had said “let’s invest” to one saying “not on your life.” 

A technology change with more staying power than DeepSeek would certainly do it. So would President Trump changing his mind about greasing the approval process for new AI data centers. All it would take would be an off hand remark from a Silicon Valley titan he didn’t like. 

Or what’s already happening with AI stocks could snowball. Investors have hammered those stocks because they’ve gotten jumpy about the size of their AI spending and in Oracle and Coreweave’s case, the leverage they are using to pay for it all. NVIDIA’s better than expected earnings announced Wednesday might ultimately calm things. But don’t expect any of these issues to go away. 

If you want to go further, what we’ve done is lay out the four big vulnerabilities we’re worried about with separate headings. And, of course, if you have an entirely different set of numbers that you think shows we’re nowhere near bubble territory, have suggestions about how to refine ours, or think we left something out, please share. 

To us the four big vulnerabilities are: 

Too much spending.  

Too much leverage.

Crazy deals. 

China. China. China. 

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Too much spending: 

We all know two things about the AI bubble right now: 1)People, companies and researchers will pay for AI. 2)They aren’t paying nearly enough to justify the hundreds of billions of dollars that has been committed to it yet.

The thinking, of course, is that that gap will quickly disappear and be replaced with enough paid usage to generate enormous profits. The questions that no one has the answer to are: When will that happen?  How much more money will it take? And which approach to making money will work the best? 

Will it work better just to charge for AI based on usage the way Microsoft, Oracle, Amazon, and OpenAI are focused on? Will it be more of an indirect revenue driver the way Meta is approaching it with its open source models? Will it have an advertising component the way Alphabet is exploring? 

Or will it be a do-everything, vertically integrated approach that works best? Amazon and Meta are exploring this. But Alphabet is the furthest ahead. It not only has its own AI software but is also using a lot of its own graphics processing chips known as Tensor Processing Units. This gives it much more control over processing costs than competitors who are – at least for the moment – entirely dependent on NVIDIA and AMD graphics processing chips. 

The only thing everyone agrees on is that the stakes are enormous: Digital technology revolutions historically have been winner-take-all-affairs whether in mainframes, minicomputers, personal computers, chips, software, search, or smartphones. That means there are likely to be only a couple of dominant AI providers five years from now. 

Maybe they’ll only be one, if one of them manages to truly get their system to reach artificial general intelligence. What it certainly means, however, is that, as in the past, there will be way more losers than winners, and there will be many big companies with giant holes in their balance sheets. 

OpenAI has become exhibit A in this spending frenzy partly because it’s the leading AI chatbot and helped ignite the AI revolution with ChaptGPT version 3 in November 2022.  

It’s also because, frankly, it’s hard to look away from the company’s financial highwire act. Its competitors have other businesses they can fall back on. OpenAI must make its bet on AI work, or it becomes one of the biggest meltdowns in the history of business. 

This is a company that hasn’t come close to making a profit or even being cash flow positive, but investors last valued it at $500 billion. That would rank it as the 21st most valuable company in the stock market, with BankAmerica. And at the end of October it made changes to its corporate structure that would allow it to have a traditional IPO in a year or two. There was speculation that that could value the company at $1 trillion. 

In the past three years OpenAI has raised more than $55 billion, according to published reports.  And while its revenues for 2025 seem to be on track to hit $12 billion, the company is burning through cash quickly.

Its cash burn this year is expected to top $8 billion and top $17 billion in 2026. It says it expects to spend nearly half a trillion dollars on server rentals over the next five years, and says it doesn’t expect to be generating more cash from operations than it is spending until 2029. That’s when it expects revenues to top $100 million. It agreed to pay nearly $7 billion for former Apple design chief Jonny Ive’s startup IO, in May. 

“Eventually we need to get to hundreds of billions of a year in revenue,” CEO Sam Altman said in response to a question about OpenAIs finances at the end of October. “I expect enterprise to be a huge revenue driver for us, but I think consumer really will be too. And it won’t just be this (ChatGPT) subscription, but we’ll have new products, devices and tons of other things. And this says nothing about what it would really mean to have AI discovering science and all of those revenue possibilities.” 

We’ve seen this movie before, of course. Whether we’re looking at the railroad construction bubble in the US 150 years ago or the internet bubble 25 years ago, investors touting the wisdom of “get big fast” have often been endemic to technology revolutions.

It’s what made Amazon the OpenAI of the internet bubble.  “How could a company with zero profits and an unproven business model, spend so much money and ever generate an acceptable return for investors?” we asked 

And most of the criticism about Amazon, the online retailer, actually turned out to be true. Yes, Amazon is now one of the most successful companies in the world. But that only happened because of something Amazon discovered ten years after its founding in 1994 – Amazon Web Services, its hugely profitable cloud computing business. 

Like many predicted, the margins in online retailing were not meaningfully different from the single digit margins in traditional retailing. That meant that Amazon wasn’t a profitable enough business to justify all that spending. If you had invested in Amazon at the peak of the internet bubble, you would have waited another decade before your investment would have started generating returns. 

And here’s the thing that makes eyes bulge: OpenAI’s  expected spend, just based on the money it’s raised so far, is set up to be 16 times what Amazon spent during its first five years even when adjusting that number into 2025 dollars. 

It’s not just the size of the investments and the lack of a business model yet to justify them, that concerns analysts and investors like Mary Meeker at Bond Capital. It’s that the prices that AI providers can charge are also falling. “For model providers this raises real questions about monetization and profits,” she said in a 350 page report on the future of AI at the end of May. “Training is expensive, serving is getting cheap, and pricing power is slipping. The business model is in flux. And there are new questions about the one-size-fits-all LLM approach, with smaller, cheaper models trained for custom use cases now emerging.

“Will providers try to build horizontal platforms? Will they dive into specialized applications? Will one or two leaders drive dominant user and usage share and related monetization, be it subscriptions (easily enabled by digital payment providers), digital services, ads, etc.? Only time will tell. In the short term, it’s hard to ignore that the economics of general-purpose LLMs look like commodity businesses with venture-scale burn.”

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Too much leverage:

Bloomberg, Barron’s, The New York Times and the Financial Times have all published graphics in the past month to help investors visualize the slew of  hard to parse, seemingly circular, vendor financing deals involving the biggest players in AI. They make your head hurt. And that’s a big part of the problem.

What’s clear is that NVIDIA and OpenAI have begun acting like banks and VC investors to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars to keep the AI ecosystem lubricated. What’s unclear is who owes what to whom under what conditions.

NVIDIA wants to guarantee ample demand for its graphics processing units. So it has  participated in 52 different venture investment deals for AI companies in 2024 and had already done 50 deals by the end of September this year, according to data from PitchBook. That includes participating in six deals that raised more than $1 billion,   

It’s these big deals that have attracted particular attention.  NVIDIA is investing as much as $100 billion in OpenAI, another $2 billion in Elon Musk’s xAI, agreed to take a 7 percent stake in CoreWeave’s IPO and, because it rents access to NVIDIA chips, buy $6.3 billion in cloud service from them. The latest deal came earlier this week. NVIDIA and Microsoft said that together they would invest up to $15 billion in Anthropic in exchange for Anthropic buying $30 billion in computiong capaicty from Microsoft running NVIDIA AI systems.

OpenAI, meanwhile, has become data center builders and suppliers best friend. It needs to ensure it has unfettered access not only to GPUs, but data centers to run them. So it has committed to filling its data centers with NVIDIA and AMD chips, and inked a $300 billion deal with Oracle and a $22.4 billion deal with CoreWeave for cloud and data center construction and management. OpenAI received $350 million in CoreWeave equity ahead of its IPO in return. It also became AMDs largest shareholder. 

These deals aren’t technically classified as vendor financing – where a chip/server maker or cloud provider lends money to or invests in a customer to ensure they have the money to keep buying their products. But they sure look like them. 

Yes, vendor financing is as old as Silicon Valley.  But these deals add leverage to the system. If too many customers run into financial trouble, the impact on lenders and investors is exponentially severe. Not only do vendors experience cratering demand for future sales, they have to write down a slew of loans and/or investments on top of that. 

Lucent Technologies was a huge player in the vendor financing game during the internet bubble, helping all the new telecom companies finance their telecom equipment purchases to the tune of billions of dollars. But when those telecom companies failed, Lucent never recovered. 

The other problem with leverage is that once it starts, it’s like a drug. You see competitors borrowing money to build data centers and you feel pressure to do the same thing Oracle and Coreweave have already gone deeply in debt to keep up. Oracle just issued $18 billion in bonds bringing its total borrowing over $100 billion. It’s expected to ask investors for another $38 billion soon. Analysts expect it to double that borrowing in the next few years. 

And Coreweave, the former crypto miner turned data center service provider, unveiled in its IPO documents earlier this year that it has borrowed so much money that its debt payments represent 25 percent of its revenues. Shares of both these companies have taken a beating in the past few weeks as investors have grown increasingly worried about their debt load.  

The borrowing isn’t limited to those who have few other options. Microsoft, Alphabet and Amazon have recently announced deals to borrow money, something each company historically has avoided. 

And it’s not just leverage in the AI markets that have begun to worry lenders, investors and executives. Leverage is building in the $2 trillion private credit market.  Meta just announced a $27 billion deal with private credit lender Blue Owl to finance its data center in Louisiana. It’s the largest private credit deal ever. By owning only 20 percent of the joint venture known as Hyperion, Meta gets most of the risk off its balance sheet, but maintains full access to the processing power of the data center when it’s complete.

Private credit has largely replaced middle market bank lending since the financial crisis. The new post crisis regulations banks needed to meet to make many of those loans proved too onerous. And since the world of finance abhors a vacuum, hedge funds and other big investors jumped in. 

Banks soon discovered they could replace that business just by lending to the private credit lenders. What makes these loans so attractive is exactly what makes them dangerous in booming markets: Private credit lenders don’t have the same capital requirements or transparency requirements that banks have.

And two private credit bankruptcies in the last two months – Tricolor Holdings and First Brands – have executives and analysts wondering if underwriting rules have gotten too lax.

“My antenna goes up when things like that happen,” JP Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon told investors. “And I probably shouldn’t say this, but when you see one cockroach, there are probably more. And so we should—everyone should be forewarned on this one….  I expect it to be a little bit worse than other people expect it to be, because we don’t know all the underwriting standards that all of these people did.”

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Crazy deals: 

Even if you weren’t even alive during the internet bubble, you’ve likely heard of Webvan if you pay any attention to business. Why? Because of all the questionable deals that emerged from that period, it seemed to be the craziest. The company bet it could be the first and only company to tackle grocery home delivery nationwide, and that it could offer customers delivery within a 30 minute window of their choosing. Logistics like this is one of the most difficult business operations to get right. Webvan’s management said the internet changed all those rules. And investors believed them. 

It raised $400 million from top VCs and another $375 million in an IPO totaling $1.5 billion in today’s dollars and a valuation in today’s dollars of nearly $10 billion. Five years after starting and a mere 18 months after its IPO, it was gone. Benchmark, Sequoia, Softbank, Goldman Sachs, Yahoo, and Etrade all signed up for this craziness and lost their shirts. 

Is Mira Murati’s Thinking Machines the next Webvan? It’s certainly too soon to answer that question. But it’s certainly not too soon to ask. Webvan took four years to raise $1.5 billion in 2025 dollars. Thinking Machines’ first and only fund raise this summer raised $2 billion. Ten top VCs piled in valuing the company at $10 billion. Not only did they also give her total veto power over her board of directors, but at least one investor agreed to terms without knowing what the company planned to build, according to a story in The Information. “It was the most absurd pitch meeting,” one investor who met with Murati said. “She was like, ‘So we’re doing an AI company with the best AI people, but we can’t answer any questions.’”

Yes, Murati is one of AIs pioneers, unlike Webvan CEO George Shaneen, who had no experience in logistics or online shopping. Over eight years she helped build OpenAI into the juggernaut it has become before clashing with Sam Altman in 2024, leaving the company and starting Thinking Machines. And yes, Thinking Machines has finally announced some of what it is working on. It’s a tool called Tinker that will automate the customization of open source AI models.  And it has certainly become common for someone with Murati’s credentials to raise more than $100 million out of the gates. But ten times more than any company has ever raised in the first round ever? 

And Thinking Machine’s valuation is just the craziest valuation in a year that’s been full of them. Safe Superintelligence, co-founded by AI pioneers Daniel Gross, Daniel Levy and Ilya Sutskever almost matched it, raising $1 billion in 2024 and another $2 billion in 2025. Four year old Anthropic raised money twice in 2025. The first in March for $3.5 billion valued it at $61.5 billion. The second  for $13 billion valued the company at $170 billion.  

As of July there were 498 AI “unicorns,” or private AI companies with valuations of $1 billion or more, according to CB Insights. More than 100 of them were founded only in the past two years. Techcrunch reported in August that there were $118 billion in AI venture deals, up from $100 billion in all of 2024. Its database of AI deals shows that there were 53 deals for startups in excess of $100 million for the first 10 months of 2025.  

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China, China, China: 

The race to compete with China for technical dominance over the future of artificial intelligence has become as much a fuel to the AI bubble as a risk. Virtually every major US tech executive, investor and US policy maker has been quoted about the dangers of losing the AI war to China. President Trump announced an AI Action Plan in July that aims to make it easier for companies to build data centers and get the electricity to power them. 

The worry list is long and real. Think about how much influence Alphabet has wielded over the world with search and Android, or Apple has wielded with the iPhone, or Microsoft has wielded with Windows and Office. Now imagine Chinese companies in those kinds of dominant positions. Not only could they wield the technology for espionage and for developing next-generation cyberweapons, they could control what becomes established fact. 

Ask DeepSeek “Is Taiwan an independent nation?” and it replies “Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. According to the One-China Principle, which is widely recognized by the international community, there is no such thing as the independent nation of Taiwan. Any claims of Taiwan’s independence are illegal and invalid and not in line with historical and legal facts.” 

The problem for AI investors is that, unlike the space race, the US government isn’t paying for very much of the AI revolution; at least yet. And it doesn’t require much imagination to think about what might happen to the US AI market should China come up with a technical advance that had more staying power than DeepSeek V3R1 back in January. 

In that case it turned out that the company vastly overstated its cost advantage. But everyone connected to AI is working on this problem. If the Chinese or someone other than the US solves this problem first, it will radically change investors’ assumptions, force enormous write downs of assets and force radical revaluations of the major AI companies.

Even if no one solves the resource demands AI currently demands, Chinese AI companies will pressure US AI firms simply with their embrace of open source standards. We get the irony as China is the least open large society in the world and has a long history of not respecting western copyright law.

The Chinese power grid is newer and more robust too. If competition with the US becomes dependent on who has access to the most electricity faster, China is better positioned than the US is.

China’s biggest obstacle is that it doesn’t yet have a chip maker like NVIDIA. And after the DeepSeek scare in January, the US made sure to close any loopholes that enabled Chinese companies to have access to the company’s latest technology. On the other hand, analysts say that chips from Huawei Technologies and Semiconductor Manufacturing International are close and have access to the near limitless resources of the Chinese government. 

Who wins this race eventually? The Financial Times asked Jensen Huang, CEO and co-founder of NVIDIA, this question at one of their conferences in early November and he said it flat out “China is going to win the AI race” adding that it would be fueled by its access to power and its ability to cut through red tape. Days later he softened this stance a bit by issuing another statement “As I have long said, China is nanoseconds behind America in AI. It’s vital that America wins by racing ahead and winning developers worldwide.” 

*****

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https://www.theinformation.com/articles/ai-bubble-worse-1999?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=23099657190_&utm_content=&utm_term=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=23109675016&gbraid=0AAAAADNJgqT3JkabLhFV5p6jSkSoPtaEL&gclid=CjwKCAiAuIDJBhBoEiwAxhgyFvNUlaOj_HiPAtkaGOm7Jhj9YiFiYi_Fg9ZEJrrD8YFdjORgrvVxOhoCnUUQAvD_BwE&rc=1ej5u1

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/20/opinion/ai-bubble-economy.html

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/inside-the-ai-bubble.html

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/is-there-an-ai-bubble/embed/#?secret=vNXMsybfZL


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  • By hnburnsy 2025-11-2122:499 reply

    Pets.com→Chewy

    Webvan → Instacart, DoorDash, Amazon Fresh

    Kozmo.com → Postmates, Uber Eats, Gopuff

    Boo.com (fashion) → Farfetch, Net-a-Porter, ASOS

    Broadcast.com → YouTube, Netflix, Twitch

    The dot-com bubble didn’t prove the internet was a fad — it proved the internet was inevitable, but the valuations assumed adoption would happen in 2 years instead of 15–20. To me it feels like the AI inevitability will be much quicker.

    • By themafia 2025-11-222:20

      > To me it feels like the AI inevitability will be much quicker.

      Based on what? We're only seeing linear improvements for increasing spending. There's no new algorithm ideas on the horizon, just more and more hardware, in the hopes that if we throw enough RAM and CPU at the problem, it will suddenly become "AGI."

      No one has their eye on power budgets or sustainability or durability of the system. The human brain has such a high degree of energy efficiency that I don't think people understand the realities of competing with it digitally.

      The main problem "AI" seems to solve is that humans get bored with certain tasks. The language models obviously don't, but they do hallucinate, and checking for hallucinations is an exceedingly boring task. It's a coffin corner of bad ideas.

    • By 1vuio0pswjnm7 2025-11-224:01

      "The dot-com bubble didn't prove the internet was a fad -"

      The internet is a medium, an interconnection of autonomous computer networks

      A "web" of hyperlinked HTML pages is one use of an internet

      However this internet is more than a handful of popular websites incorporated as companies

      Perhaps that's why it was called the "dot-com" bubble and not the "internet" bubble

    • By conqrr 2025-11-221:10

      Technology for all the above existed in rudimentary form, faster Internet, faster machines and adoption was missing. But Current bets are assuming AGI. No one knows how soon. To predict that would be foolish.

    • By ruszki 2025-11-220:00

      If technology had been the same for the past 20 years, basically none of these would have existed, or would be even close as large as today. We needed way faster cable and mobile internet, and smartphones. Probably even smaller laptops. It was possible to predict these more or less, however, it was impossible to predict when or whether people start to really utilize the internet. Even now, we needed COVID to have another shift regarding this. The general acceptance of “internet first” kind of worldview maybe would have never happened without forcing us to have.

    • By softwaredoug 2025-11-2123:19

      On the RHS, post hype, the second movers could work on the boring, unsexy problems in those domains nobody wanted to solve. And solve them extremely well. Then build a moat around that.

      There is also a customer adoption curve of technology that lags far behind the technologist adoption curve. For example video on the Web failed a long time, until it didn't, when Youtube began to succeed. The problem became "boring" to technologists in some ways, but consumers gradually caught up.

    • By wayeq 2025-11-223:32

      Blockchain --> ?

    • By roxolotl 2025-11-221:37

      Aside from a belief that the AI adoption will happen very quickly, which maybe that’s your main point, you’re not really disagreeing with the article:

      > All this means two things to us: 1)The AI revolution will indeed be one of the biggest technology shifts in history. It will spark a generation of innovations that we can’t yet even imagine. 2) It’s going to take way longer to see those changes than we think it’s going to take right now.

    • By bluefirebrand 2025-11-2122:531 reply

      > To me it feels like the AI inevitability will be much quicker.

      AI is accelerating "let them eat cake" at rates never seen before in history, so I imagine the violence will follow soon after

      • By dudeinjapan 2025-11-2123:55

        Yeah but AI can also generate a picture of any cake you prompt it.

  • By chasing0entropy 2025-11-2121:42

    The internet was monumental and valuable, offering instant conveyance of media and data. AI is monumental, allowing instant access to near infinite data; but whether instant access is as valuable as instant conveyance yet alone five times the value, appears to be the question

    Honestly anyone who thinks AI has intrinsic value to rival the GDP of nations is a bagholder in denial and I'll be happy to buy your puts.

  • By ghm2180 2025-11-2123:326 reply

    I have a noob question. How can developed economies where populations levels have plateaued continue to be expected to post positive GDPs (and therefore add net new goods and services) yoy?

    Homes as assets should pass on, higher cost services of today would be replaced by lower cost which only temporarily would increase units sold(but should eventually plateau because #units/person is not going to change). No component of the GDP will move.

    If the fertility rate of developed economies is less than 2.1 then there should be wealth and asset accumulation among the younger people over time. The demand for newer goods and services from the people who get richer is inelastic: most goods and service's prices dont matter to the rich they buy them any ways, and it continues to keep becoming more inelastic.

    So within like a several years the demand should just collapse as wealth accumulates a lot and people work less and become more price insensitive. Immigration is set to remain low to developed nations for the next 3-5 years.

    This seems to be quite evident in Japan and EU already(though in the EU if you adjust the productivity for work hours the GDP becomes same as America's).

    So why do people assume developed countries would even buy this much more new stuff. 1.5 trillion$ worth of new things over the next 5 years?

    • By didibus 2025-11-220:44

      GDP does not require that the goods or services were sold for money. GDP measures the market value adjusted to constant quality of all final goods and services produced. GDP can grow even with fewer workers, fewer hours, fewer buyers, and fewer units sold.

      So the way I understood it, productivity, efficiency and quality gains can increase GDP year over year.

      Say we are a country of 1 person. If that person can make a car in 2025, but in 2026 manages to make both a car and a house, the GDP has more than doubled. Doesn't matter that nobody paid the money for them.

      Another weird thing is, say that 1 person country makes a car in 2025, and in 2026 makes a similarly priced car, if the car is higher quality, it counts as a higher GDP, because they'll measure its value as greater than last year's model, even if it sells for the same price, because the old model would now be worth less.

    • By jaggederest 2025-11-220:10

      > How can developed economies where populations levels have plateaued continue to be expected to post positive GDPs (and therefore add net new goods and services) yoy?

      Think about the unsatisfied needs and desires most people have. In extremely low income areas, it may be a roof over your head or knowing where your next meal comes from. Moving up a tier, it might be the ability to send your children to education or better clothing. In wealthier areas it might be things like a better car or higher quality food even though you're not in danger of going hungry. For the extremely wealthy it might be more leisure time, art, and new experiences.

      When GDP increases, broadly, those are the areas you see expand. Looking at life today in a baseline American household, the things which are mass produced are far more available and affordable than they were a century ago - in the 1930s households spent about 10-12% of their income on clothing.

      Sadly, the rate of improvement for non-mass-produced items like college tuition, medical care, and especially housing has ballooned compared to median income, so life doesn't feel inexpensive, certainly, but GDP has a lot of room to grow in a lot of areas.

    • By ambicapter 2025-11-222:15

      Maybe because the advertising and marketing machine will continue to churn and induldge and shame people into consuming ever more stuff.

    • By carsoon 2025-11-220:271 reply

      People don't stop wanting things.

      Total GDP can keep rising so long as technologist can improve efficiency through robotics, inventions and scientific breakthroughs.

      GDP just describes peoples amount of activity. People will always build bigger buildings or monuments (see egypt pyramids, dubai skyscrapers, cambodia angkor wat). These are actaully not inelastic as megaprojects will quickly hit real limits regardless of the amount of capital. (I can always add 10 more floors to the tallest skyscraper, or 10 feet to the longest wall, or 10 facets to the most ornate church)

      There has never once in history been a point where people decieded that they where going to stop innovating or producing permanently. This is equivalent with death.

      So the people with the most money at some point will decide to build things which they spend all their money on which increases GDP.

      Also the actual "number" of gdp if heavily controlled by USA inflation rates. So we should always look at gdp in regards to inflation adjusted dollars to get a clearer picture.

      • By beepbooptheory 2025-11-221:33

        You would just think there has got to be end to it all... technology needing to increase so much, indefinitely, the imagination falters tbh. Its like we have to become space gods by year 2500 or we are going to go bankrupt as species anyway.

    • By jbs789 2025-11-220:08

      Think of GDP as a country’s output.

    • By vorpalhex 2025-11-2123:591 reply

      Your entire premise is simply incorrect, through and through. Discard it entirely and begin again.

      You have a hundred people, they have a GDP of N. Tomorrow, their productivity doubles because of a technological innovation. Your GDP is 2N.

      Prices matter extensively to the rich and poor. The cost of a given compute capacity has gone from "literally the entire United States can't afford it" to "my lightbulb has this much compute because it's cheaper than choosing a dumber processor".

      What happens tomorrow if eg ChatGPT 5.1 performance becomes doable for $500 of tech? $50? Swap this for grain harvesting, waste bin collection, etc if you don't like the LLM case.

      • By arexxbifs 2025-11-220:131 reply

        > What happens tomorrow if eg ChatGPT 5.1 performance becomes doable for $500 of tech? $50?

        The bubble would burst and the US economy would face a recession?

        • By carsoon 2025-11-220:341 reply

          No, it wouldn't as the whole reason people were giving Openai that 500 dollars is because they thought they could make more than 500 dollars from it.

          So now that value is just shifted into the companies that were going to purchase from openai.

          It would just hurt the investors who have exposure to openai/anthropic/google/microsoft.

          Much of the value of this AI boom is not from the direct model companies but its from companies which use their technology.

          Although the government could be stupid and bail out these companies which WOULD hurt all us citizens and the inflation caused by money printing due to that could cause a recession.

          • By arexxbifs 2025-11-221:311 reply

            Here's what I think would happen if anyone, by tomorrow, could download GPT 5.1 for free and run it performantly on something like a $500 laptop:

            * It would stop datacenter- and other related infrastructure construction, making huge investments effectively worthless for companies like Oracle and Amazon, and of course hurt the construction sector.

            * It would hurt the companies you mention, plus a many more including NVidia, likely in ways that would lead to large-scale layoffs.

            * It would seriously hurt corporate and VC investors and likely make them much less interested in large investments for quite some time, thus affecting other sectors as well.

            * It would seriously hurt index funds and pension funds.

            A number of years down the line, if LLMs are indeed capable of significantly boosting productivity, I'm sure we'd see a recovery, but when large bubbles suddenly burst there's usually some pretty serious fallout.

            • By SturgeonsLaw 2025-11-227:03

              With hardware getting more performant and LLMs getting more efficient, what's preventing this outcome from being an inevitability?

              Sure, the average person has no interest in self hosting, but businesses will at least run the numbers.

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