You Want to Visit the UK? You Better Have a Google Play or App Store Account

2026-02-2611:26205302heltweg.org

New immigration rules for the UK are being enforced starting February 2026. This means citizens of 85 additional countries (including the USA and European countries) will need an Electronic Travel…

In the before times, and living in a blissful bubble of European citizenship, I never thought a lot about what I would need to prepare when visiting the UK. But, starting February 2026, new immigration rules for the UK are being enforced. Citizens of 85 additional countries (including the USA and European countries) will need an Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA) to visit, even for tourism.1

Luckily, you can apply (and pay) digitally. Unfortunately, the government very much would prefer you to do so using the official app.

Digital sovereignty is a hot topic right now in a lot of European countries (for good reasons). Both the Google Play Store and the Apple Store are controlled by US companies. And surely, I should not need to have access to a smartphone in order to complete a required government process?

Helpfully, the UK ETA app is not linked from the ETA enforcement announcement. But, if you search for it, you can find a help page on “Using the ‘UK ETA’ app”2 that looks like this:

A help page for the UK ETA app, showing a large open table of contents and a 'If you need help using the app' link at the very bottom
You can not use the official app? How about reading a huge FAQ about how to use it?

Can you spot where you would find alternatives to using the app on this page? Of course, under ‘If you need help using the app’. First, you are smart and can see that I already clicked the link before taking the screenshot. But second, technically not being able to use the app would fall under needing help on how to use it. I guess? Fair enough.

There, you can find a link to “apply online instead”. Our journey is at an end; we can use the open web to complete the ETA! Let’s click the link:

A page showing an advertisement to download the UK ETA app with a tiny 'I cannot apply on the UK ETA app.' at the bottom.
Sike! How about an ad for the app?

No, weird, this is not it. It seems we landed on the app landing page (why was this not linked from the announcement post?). My mistake, let’s try something else. No, wait, there is a tiny ‘I cannot apply on the UK ETA app.’ link at the bottom! Finally, exactly my problem. And all it took was finding a tiny link on that page. Let’s resolve this by clicking on the link:

A page showing additional help downloading the UK ETA app with a tiny 'Continue application online' link at the bottom.
Have you tried using the app hard enough?

Another page about how to install the app and troubleshoot why you can’t install the app? And how much better and faster and less problematic my application will be if I use the app?

Ok, at this point you’re joking me. If I were a weird nerd that cares an abnormal amount about digital sovereignty, this would probably push me over the edge to write a ranty blog post about my experience. Luckily I am a well-adjusted person and instead scan the page carefully and find the tiny ‘Continue application online’ link instead.

A page showing the start screen of the online application.
Redemption, at last.

Finally, we have reached the entry point of the online application for a UK ETA. In the end, this was quite easy; all we had to do was click through multiple pages of strong guidance to use the official app and accept that the online application will be much worse and slower.

And for future Philip, who still wants to visit the UK, here is the direct link so you do not need to repeat this: Request a UK ETA Online. You better hope the UK government hasn’t implemented automated scans of your web profile by then ;).

I am an indie maker & researcher with a doctorate in computer science, interested in (among others): Software engineering, open data, data science, startups and esports.


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  • By chrishannah 2026-02-2611:5313 reply

    Is it really a lot of work?

    You can search "UK ETA", find the main page: https://www.gov.uk/eta

    Then click "Apply for an ETA" and you're brought to this page: https://www.gov.uk/eta/apply

    Then there are options for the Apple App Store and also the Google Play Store, with a helpful note: "If you cannot download the app on your phone, you should apply online." Which then has a link to start the online process below.

    • By shalmanese 2026-02-2613:593 reply

      The Australian ETA process, on the other hand, actually can only be done via an Android or iOS mobile app: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-li...

      I was so stunned I was like, surely this must violate some government rule around universal access and service? But I guess not.

      What's more, the app is so buggy reddit is filled with support cases of people not being able to complete the process in time and sometimes having to forfeit hundreds of dollars worth of tickets: https://www.reddit.com/r/AusVisa/comments/1jh2olm/having_an_...

      The advice literally boils down to, some models of iPhones don't work so go borrow a friend's phone of a different model and pray that they can process your application for you.

      • By darrenf 2026-02-2616:151 reply

        That link clearly says you don't have to use an app.

        If you are unable to use the app, you can apply online through ImmiAccount for another visa that suits your needs.

        This triggered me because I've been to Australia tens of times (albeit not since 2023) and have always used my Immi account. I just logged in to check and sure enough I can still lodge an application there, no app required. Ironically I would prefer an app and will use it for my next visits because I've always found the Immi site cumbersome. But the site is still there.

        • By shalmanese 2026-02-273:321 reply

          For a different visa, not the ETA.

          • By darrenf 2026-02-277:31

            Ah. I’ve always used the subclass 651 eVisitor, without realising it was only for some European countries (or that it was different to the ETA).

      • By decimalenough 2026-02-2614:11

        The other "helpful" suggestion is that, if you can't use the app, you can apply for a regular full-blown tourist visa (Subclass 600), which costs $145 and takes weeks if not months to process.

      • By crest 2026-02-2614:121 reply

        Let me guess you have to be an Australian citizen (inmate?) to have the right to sue and then you won't have standing?

        • By freefaler 2026-02-2614:37

          You have to be onshore to get the case in front of Admnistrative Tribunal (ACT)

    • By ozlikethewizard 2026-02-2612:442 reply

      The issue is the obvious anti patterns in the following flow. While its not particularly egregious, someone has taken intentional steps to make it convuluted. Engaging with gov services should not feel like trying to unsubscribe from amazon prime:

      Go to https://www.gov.uk/eta/apply

      Click "Start Now" under apply online section (that is distinct from the app section)

      Get taken to page saying to get the app, scroll to bottom and click small link "I cannot apply on the app"

      Get taken to a help getting the app page, scroll to the bottom and click small link "Continue application online"

      Finally be in right place

      • By martinald 2026-02-2613:161 reply

        But there's really good reason for this. On the app it can use NFC to read your passport data exactly. Until WebNFC supports reading passports, it is a much more efficient way.

        It's not like they are getting some long term benefit of having the app on your phone. It's just because WebNFC can't read passports.

        • By hsiudh 2026-02-2616:001 reply

          That is not a `good reason`, that is `convenience` and it shouldn't be used to push to install an app from increasingly hostile nations/corporations.

          > It's not like they are getting some long term benefit of having the app on your phone. It's just because WebNFC can't read passports.

          The same way we complain that Facebook, Tiktok, etc gather too much data from app install, so can a government agency.

          • By martinald 2026-02-2617:551 reply

            You are literally sharing biometric passport information with the government for an ETA in this app. Information sharing is the whole point.

            • By ozlikethewizard 2026-02-2618:051 reply

              The information on my passport is of comparatively little value compared to the information on my devices. Most states could get my passport information with little more than a friendly request to my government, same for most, access to my phone however.

              Why give up more information than is strictly necessary, so you can tap your passport on your phone? Not convincing imo.

              • By martinald 2026-02-2811:01

                Because for many people with poor eyesight, poor English or computer literacy tapping a passport is far easier than typing the data in with no risk of transcription errors.

      • By chrishannah 2026-02-2613:20

        Is it really convoluted? It's 2 clicks? If the mobile app solution is the better and simpler choice for most people, wouldn't it make sense for them to recommend it?

    • By rhazn 2026-02-2613:082 reply

      (article author here): Fair comment, but at least for me the https://www.gov.uk/eta flow still just leads into the double upsell of the mobile app. My problem is more with governments (all of them, this is just one instance) increasingly pushing people to use native Apps and with that to the mercy of Google/Apple.

      The article is definitely a bit over the top, it is just my personal blog and me trying to write a bit more funny to counter the bland LLMs. Your opinion can vary on if I have succeeded or overshot on that.

      • By quesera 2026-02-2614:251 reply

        > My problem is more with governments ... pushing people to ... Google/Apple.

        It's worse than that. Many municipalities and schools etc only post public notices to Facebook/Twitter or some similarly hostile environment.

        > The article is definitely a bit over the top, it is just my personal blog and me trying to write a bit more funny to counter the bland LLMs.

        But. Your headline contradicts your story. The only excuse for that (and it is weak) is when writers don't get to write their own headlines (this is common) and the editors who do write the headlines are corrupted for clicks or drama (but I repeat myself).

        This way lies madness, the road to hell, etc.

        This is not the way of the honest writer.

        • By rhazn 2026-02-2616:281 reply

          I wrote about my thinking here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47168225). I do not have a story and I am not a writer that has editors so I have no excuse but my personal taste ;). You will disagree with that, but just wanted to mention it so it does not seem like I am ignoring it.

          • By quesera 2026-02-2619:52

            I appreciate your response, and your candor.

            I'll push back on one point: when I said "contradicts your story", I meant that the headline and the story (article content) are in conflict. So you do have a story/article, and yes your headline is squishy enough to argue misinterpretation, but it's clearly not honest.

            So the tension is that the boring but honest headline of "Applying for a UK visa without a smartphone requires a few extra clicks that are easy to overlook" doesn't serve the (apparently higher) purpose of drawing people in.

            I was expecting outrage in your article, but I only found inconvenience. That's manipulative in my opinion, and I would avoid reading future articles on your site based on that experience. Do as thou wilt, obviously, but that's my take!

            Your topic (smartphone/appstore requirements) is a real issue! I'm glad to hear that the UK hasn't gone all-in, yet.

      • By bartread 2026-02-2617:151 reply

        What you're saying is sort of fair. It's 4 clicks from https://www.gov.uk/eta to get to the beginning of the online application process:

        1. The first hyperlink in the Overview section takes you to this page: https://www.gov.uk/eta/apply

        2. Now click the big green button marked "Start now" in the "Apply online" section

        3. Then click the link at the bottom of the page marked "I cannot apply on the UK ETA app"

        4. Then click again "Continue application online"

        And now you can start.

        Realistically this is probably 2 clicks too many and, whilst on the face of it it's not that much effort, it might be enough to bamboozle the tech phobic/less capable - of which there are still many (and not just older generations, either), or your grasp of English isn't great. There's just a bit too much going on - too much content - with some of these pages, and I don't really see a good reason to bury the links all the way at the bottom the way they are at present.

        • By IanCal 2026-02-2710:39

          But it will be simpler on a phone, as you don't need to do the same manual entering of data, and don't need to get a photo of your passport and a photo of yourself onto your computer.

          > I don't really see a good reason to bury the links all the way at the bottom the way they are at present.

          I'd not be surprised if the number of issues when using the app is significantly lower than doing it online. Particularly if lots of people are using phones to visit these sites anyway.

    • By riffraff 2026-02-2616:34

      FWIW, the online application only allows you to apply for a single person at a time, so for a family of four you need to repeat the whole process (including payment) four times. And the automatic identification of passport and picture does not work very well. And some payments randomly fail.

      It is not a very good system. They do seem to respond fast tho!

    • By everdrive 2026-02-2613:552 reply

      It's not difficult, however it does violate privacy. It is one more brick in the wall for requiring that all citizens own smartphones. And smartphones themselves are quite bad for privacy. When I frequent a business and they tell me use their smartphone app, my response varies from "no," to "I'm not downloading your fucking app." (depending on how polite the business has been)

      100% of smart phone apps are bad. There are NO exceptions to this, by virtue of the fact that you must own and use the smartphone to access them. We stand to lose a lot when we finally lose this fight. (and I'm sure we will)

      • By malfist 2026-02-2613:581 reply

        100%?

        I once published an app to help people track their budget. It didn't even request any permissions, not even internet. How is it bad?

        I wrote an app for a university to let researchers track bat sightings in caves and upload it to a database for population tracking. How is it bad?

        • By everdrive 2026-02-2614:022 reply

          Do I need a smartphone to use it? If so, then it's bad.

          • By malfist 2026-02-2618:22

            I'm sorry, did you expect a smartphone app to not require a smartphone?

            Should we get mad at books for requiring you to know how to read? Should we get mad at stores for requiring you to use currency to pay?

          • By linhns 2026-02-2614:451 reply

            It's weird that many people don't rely not everything should be mobile-first.

            • By malfist 2026-02-2618:231 reply

              Let me know when researchers want to start lugging around laptops when they go splunking in caves to record bat populations and I'll tell them about the web portal.

              • By everdrive 2026-02-2718:52

                It's well known that bat research didn't even exist prior to 2007. Steve Jobs famously took the stage and declared, "I have finally achieved bat research!"

      • By verzali 2026-02-277:14

        Citizens don't need an ETA. Only non-citizens are affected.

    • By nixass 2026-02-2611:583 reply

      That's... What the article is about

      • By rcxdude 2026-02-2612:12

        But the article seems to take a very roundabout way for it, and still doesn't link the direct version. I just did the same thing, googling 'UK ETA', clicked the top result, then clicked the most salient link on the result page ('Apply'), then clicked the most salient button on the next page which is a big green 'apply now button', though it is after the links to the app (but those links are not big and green). Admittedly I do have a decent amount of experience with the UK government's website which tends to have this pattern of a few pages of explanations about the thing before you get to the form you need to fill in, but it surprises me that it was that hard to find.

        (Edit: ah, no, I see: the next steps are quite dark-pattern pushing you towards the app. Yeah, that's quite shitty)

      • By taffronaut 2026-02-2612:182 reply

        No, I think he searched for the ETA App and was disappointed at the lack of emphasis on an alternative to the app once you are in it. If you just search the web for ETA and gov.uk it takes you straight to the online portal (which also asks for feedback as it's a service in Beta). The gov.uk website is neutral between you using the app or the online portal.

        The only point I can see here is that once you are in the app it keeps encouraging you to use it and doesn't keep suggesting you might like to use the online portal instead. But I don't understand the initial premise about not using app stores. If the author didn't want to use an app store, why did he download an app instead of going to gov.uk?

        • By dTal 2026-02-2616:56

          gov.uk is not neutral at all!

          "The easiest way to apply is on the app"

          "By applying on the UK ETA app you're more likely to: complete your application quicker; get a faster decision".

          "You should apply online if: you cannot download the app on your phone; the person you are applying for is not with you"

          All of these are things you see over the course of the THREE (!) pages between https://www.gov.uk/eta and the actual start of the online form, https://apply-for-an-eta.homeoffice.gov.uk/apply/electronic-...

          It really gives you the runaround and makes it very clear than the non-app flow is a weird, second-tier option.

        • By chrishannah 2026-02-2613:20

          If you don't want to use the app, why would you search for the app?

      • By danlitt 2026-02-2612:11

        >>> How Many Hoops Are Too Many Hoops?

        >> It's really not that many hoops

        > That's... What the article is about

        I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

    • By CGamesPlay 2026-02-2612:101 reply

      No, that link goes to the second “download our app” screen shown in the OP.

      • By graemep 2026-02-2613:09

        That has a link to actually applying online.

        They are definitely using a dark pattern to push people towards the app, but it is possible to apply online.

    • By Symbiote 2026-02-2612:11

      You have to click twice more (on two more web pages) that you can't/won't use the app to start the online application.

      The "Start now" button ought to skip all that.

    • By davidguetta 2026-02-2613:57

      there's a lot of promoted scam tho on google. This one : https://getetauk.co.uk/fr/ got me when i was a rush at the airport and i paid 125€ for the fucking eta without confirmation

    • By mstade 2026-02-2612:432 reply

      Yeah it's really overblown. I applied for an ETA online last year and it took probably about 15 min from searching for where to do it to the confirmation email dropping in. It was pretty painless, much more so than the ESTA process for travelling to the US&A and even that one isn't particularly difficult.

      • By ozlikethewizard 2026-02-2612:48

        Its not so much the process that is the complaint here, as that the UK government is intentionally using Big Tech style anti-patterns to push engagement in a particular manner. It's a dangerous precedent (and not even close to the first time they've done similar).

      • By blitzar 2026-02-2613:59

        > ESTA process for travelling to the US&A and even that one isn't particularly difficult

        Dodging the google ads & promoted search results that take you to clones of the application form that charge 2-3x is the hardest part.

    • By sylware 2026-02-2611:57

      And of course, this is not a web app but a web site with basic HTML forms not requiring a whatng cartel web engine?

    • By Fervicus 2026-02-2613:31

      Did you even read the article and tried going through the process? Suggesting the user to download the app is front and center and the link to apply online is tucked away in a link at the bottom. Not great, but fine, I'll live with that. But that's not the end is it? The user clicks continue online application, then why does it still give you another screen nudging you towards using the app? Making users feel like they are doing something wrong by not using the app.

  • By cjs_ac 2026-02-2611:436 reply

    After I got Indefinite Leave to Remain (permanent settled status) in the UK, I had to buy a new phone that had NFC, because the new eVisa system required me to scan the chip in my passport to link it to the system. In general, the UK retains its mildly chaotic character - the 'disorderly order' that Kate Fox frequently mentions in her book Watching the English - but the immigration system is very much being tightened up due to political sentiment.

    As problematic as it is to need a contractual relationship with a US company to interact with the UK Government, I'm sure that if you spoke with someone in the Government Digital Service who was involved with this, they'd tell you it was the least bad option.

    • By richrichardsson 2026-02-2611:536 reply

      I would half like to move back to the UK, but I'm terribly worried that after jumping through all the hoops so that my EU citizen partner could come with us and be a part our children's lives that Reform would get in and throw out all the "undesirables" (basically anyone without a British Passport at first, sure they won't stop there). I'm really not sure how likely them attaining power is, but it sure looks like a terrible but possible future from afar. :(

      • By dochne 2026-02-2613:191 reply

        All of my EU friends living in the UK have now applied for citizenship.

        The risk profile for "I have indefinite leave to remain" has moved from "this won't be an issue at all" to "we have no trust in the government on this" in a few short years.

        Profoundly depressing

        • By graemep 2026-02-2613:594 reply

          I really cannot understand why people who are permanently settled in a country would not apply for citizenship.

          It is not a matter of trust. Unless you are a citizen your right to remain in a country is always subject to the approval of the government and rules can change. it is the point of the distinction between "indefinite leave to remain" and citizenship.

          I have noticed that only white people commit to living in the UK without becoming citizens. Sindhu Vee is very funny about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8DNgi5Tok4&t=90s

          • By saithound 2026-02-2614:572 reply

            > I have noticed that only white people commit to living in the UK without becoming citizens.

            Alas, you've not discovered a hidden pattern, except maybe a hidden pattern in the kinds of people you socialize with. Chinese nationals cannot hold dual citizenship, and renouncing their Chinese citizenship creates very serious complications, including around property and inheritance when parents die, which you would be aware of if you knew any Chinese person well enough to have had this conversation with them.

            Based on gov.uk immigration system statistics data and tables, among those with indefinite leave to remain, the most likely to seek citizenship are British Overseas Citizens, Austrians and Lithuanians. The least likely are Moroccans and Venezuelans.

            • By hsiudh 2026-02-2616:111 reply

              > The least likely are Moroccans and Venezuelans

              Weird in the Venezuelans case, as there is no restrictions for double nationality and having only Venezuelan citizenship doesn't have many advantages. I would guess that it is because most Venezuelans living there already have an European passport due to parents/grandparent, so no need/can't get a third

              • By graemep 2026-02-2617:53

                Cannot only if the other European country does not allow dual nationality.

                If they are permanently settled in the UK surely it would be better to have British citizenship rather than that of a country they do not live in?

                The nationalities listed are all very small groups in the UK. maybe they are not really permanently settled? Someone who moves somewhere for work might end up living there a decade (and in the UK that would mean getting indefinite leave to remain) and then returning.

            • By graemep 2026-02-2617:43

              I admit not knowing a lot of Chinese nationals, but I do know a very wide range of people. Of course, issues with property and inheritance only apply to people who have sufficient for it to be a major issue.

              Could you link to the stats showing that? What about all the other countries? What is the position of BNOs?

              Indefinite leave to remain is not the same as permanently settled - there is a difference between long term and the rest of your life.

          • By fersarr 2026-02-2617:241 reply

            Apart from the fact that some countries don't allow dual citizenships so you would loose the other one:

            - cost: ~2k

            - time: 2 exams

            - paperwork required to keep other nationalities in some cases

            - after feb 2026, you can only re-enter the UK with a British passport (more cost) or with extra paperwork to enable your other passport (more costs ~500)

            • By graemep 2026-02-2617:31

              Countries that do not allow dual citizenship is a good reason, and maybe the cost and paperwork required by other countries (although, unless you really cannot afford it its worth getting it to cover yourself in case rules change). I did it myself.

              The same goes for the cost of British citizenship. once you have it its just the cost of renewing passports (about £100/decade at current rates) for the rest of your life. That £2,000 is much less than the cost of renewing some types or residence visa and gives you the security of being a citizen.

          • By testing22321 2026-02-2615:05

            Cost is a big reason.

            My personal reason is that I travel a lot, so I never meet the physical presence within the country requirements.

          • By dmacedo 2026-02-2614:151 reply

            Some countries don't allow dual citizenship, which means you'd no longer be a citizen of your country of origin, you know, where your family might live.

            I have plenty of friends who otherwise would apply, and ILR should be sufficient in a democratic government following social and political contracts.

            • By dwedge 2026-02-2614:212 reply

              Is that true for any EU countries?

              • By roryirvine 2026-02-2614:36

                Yes: Austria and Slovakia still do, possibly others as well. And Germany only stopped preventing it within the last year or two.

                The UK will help circumvent this for current British citizens when they acquire new citizenship in one of those countries (eg. America famously makes you hand over your old passport, but the UK will happily ship you a replacement in an unmarked envelope), but that doesn't really work so well in the other direction.

              • By riffraff 2026-02-2616:43

                this was true until a few years ago for Italy and France too, getting one nationality would instantly lose you the other. I think this isn't true anymore, but I do have a friend who lived in the country for decades and never picked up the nationality because of this.

      • By Nursie 2026-02-2612:15

        As a brit also watching from afar...

        It does seem scarily likely, but he still has a few years to really screw things up before we get there. Fingers crossed.

        Without a large-scale cock-up, I don't see Starmer as inspiring enough to stop him unfortunately. Lets hope someone else steps up to the plate with a bit more charisma.

      • By RobotToaster 2026-02-2612:191 reply

        Unless something major happens I'm almost certain they'll either win the next election or be part of a coalition.

        About the only thing that can stop them is the Tories holding onto relevance enough to split their vote again.

        • By ejejee 2026-02-2612:33

          It’s not likely at all that they’ll win the next election lmao.

      • By graemep 2026-02-2612:533 reply

        I think you are worrying too much and a lot of this is media hype. Their main focus is small boats and people entering the country illegally. If they do restrict them more you are almost certainly better off getting your partner a visa before (but I think you would need to marry to get a spouse visa though).

        > Reform would get in and throw out all the "undesirables" (basically anyone without a British Passport at first, sure they won't stop there)

        I think that is an exaggerated view from a distance. I see no evidence they can do that, or want to. At the time of the Brexit campaign Farage said he wanted skilled immigrants (he gave the example of Indian doctors immigrating in the 1970s as the wort of thing he wanted). Nor can the country afford to lose skilled people. Its worth remembering that Reform would not agree to what Elon Musk wanted in return for funding so I think its safe to assume Reform would not be as extreme as the current US government.

        I am of foreign birth, as is my younger daughter (she was born abroad) and I am not particularly worried. I would worry if Rupert Lowe's Restore party started making gains, or Ben Habib's Advance party.

        > I'm really not sure how likely them attaining power

        They are doing well in the polls now but my feeling is they are peaking. Letting on too many Conservative defectors makes them look at lot less of an anti-establishment party (a huge part of their appeal) and they are becoming too extreme (I think in reaction to the splash, mostly on social media) made by Advance and Restore (one of those is what Elon Musk endorses, so that gives you an idea where they are).

        • By pjc50 2026-02-2613:402 reply

          The government can very easily change your status from "legal" to "illegal" by flipping a bit. And the newspapers, who are driving this, don't care about skills, they care about the raw numbers. The members of the public driving this don't even care about immigration status, but skin colour.

          • By graemep 2026-02-2613:454 reply

            They can change people's status, but I am saying they will not. It is not Reform party policy (as Rupert Lowe keeps pointing out!) and it would be disastrous to do it.

            The net immigration numbers are falling!

            I disagree about the public. Its very clear that the opposition to immigration is almost entirely about small boats and illegal entry.

            As for skin colour, of the tiny number or racists I have heard of in real life, one comment repeated back to me made it clear the person involved preferred at least some Asians (those with skills etc.) to Eastern Europeans.

            • By ben_w 2026-02-2615:35

              > Its very clear that the opposition to immigration is almost entirely about small boats and illegal entry.

              No, that's just the current talking point.

              A decade ago, small boats not in the news, somehow managed to still be a big talking point on Brexit campaign. Worse, part of the Brexit campaign was scare-mongering that the EU had made it so the UK had no control over its borders, no control over its immigration laws, and even had one poster further scare-mongering that the UK would be forced to allow in the entire population of Turkey* even though Turkey wasn't actually in the EU nor did anyone think it would get in any time soon and the UK had a veto on expansion anyway (plus the more fundamental pretentiousness in thinking they'd want to come en-masse anyway, given that Turkish people are like everyone else, in that almost none of them really care for the idea of moving to the UK).

              Even for "unlawful entry" of asylum seekers who were still allowed to lawfully claim asylum, the UK was part of the Dublin III system, which oh-so-conveniently meant the UK could argue that all the other countries most people would need to go through to get to the UK should have taken them first, to which I'd like to say this:

              J'ai obtenu la note D au GCSE de français, et pourtant j'ai étudié la langue à l'école. À votre avis, comment un demandeur d'asile lambda originaire de l'ancien Empire britannique va-t-il s'en sortir?

              Most asylum seekers do, in fact, stop at the first safe country; the UK has always only had a tiny fraction of the total, and loses its collective mind anyway.

              * Note my careful phrasing and also their careful phrasing in this specific ad; they note the population to give the implication, I did not say they said all of them will come in**, only that they said all of them must be allowed to, when EU membership never did any such thing: https://www.wsj.com/articles/with-brexit-turkey-loses-its-bi... and https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2018/07/facebook-relea...

              ** apparently one of the "senior Brexiteers" did, but I can't trivially find any actual citation and don't care to put in the effort to look harder

            • By tokai 2026-02-2613:57

              Lots of things are disasterous to do, and still UK has a proud traditions of doing those things.

            • By n1b0m 2026-02-2615:09

              Are you aware that Rupert Lowe was kicked out of Reform?

            • By pjc50 2026-02-2614:11

              We heard all of that in the US before ICE.

          • By dwedge 2026-02-2614:282 reply

            Have you ever spoken to any member of the public in support of Reform to base your opinions on, or is this just similar to when every single brexit voters (millions of people) was assumed to be racist and uneducated

            • By dTal 2026-02-2617:201 reply

              Almost everyone voting Brexit was uneducated on the issues, a fact rapidly borne out by actually speaking to them. Actually "uneducated" is quite charitable as quite a lot are racist also. I don't know how anyone can claim otherwise with a straight face.

              • By dwedge 2026-02-2618:53

                Which issues were they uneducated on? How many did you speak to, and I'm not talking about the engagement-bait bots on places like the Trending side of Twitter

            • By thunderfork 2026-02-2617:07

              A lot of Republican supporters would have, and still might, insist that the US's current purge is focused on "criminals" despite the quota-driven shitfest it's become. People say a lot of things, and they rarely line up with policies in practice.

        • By n1b0m 2026-02-2615:07

          Reform would create ICE-style agency and end leave to remain

          https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/22/reform-uk-i...

        • By drcongo 2026-02-2613:32

          This could easily be copied and pasted from the replies to people who were worried about the rise of facism in the US a couple of years ago.

      • By Havoc 2026-02-2612:281 reply

        For what it’s worth I’ve had zero problems thus far (under eu settled scheme)

        • By graemep 2026-02-2612:591 reply

          They have missed the EU settled scheme so its going to have to be a normal visa - so either the partner has to be skilled or wealthy enough to qualify, or it has to be a spouse visa.

          • By Havoc 2026-02-2616:23

            Ah right. Well there are changes incoming shortly for that which could either be favourable or not depending on partners circumstances. Eg there is a high earner thing that shortens path etc

      • By ozlikethewizard 2026-02-2612:371 reply

        If (more likely when but gotta stay optimistic) the fascists do take power there will be people that fight. There already are so many people standing up. My recommendation for a non-brit would unfortunately be to avoid moving to anywhere that could be classified as Little England. I'm fortunate enough to live in the bubble that is the "UKs happiest city", and while you cant pretend racism / xenophobia are extinct here, people do stick up for eachother and mind their own businesses. The UK is great, even so for immigrants, its just finding those pockets of tolerance and kindness in an ever growing sea of shite. British people need to focus on rebuilding our strong local communities that were smashed by Thatcher, and then this too shall pass.

        • By graemep 2026-02-2612:581 reply

          Its funny how all the racism is happening somewhere else in the country, but very few people experience it themselves. Survey data supports this.

          I have lived in several parts of the UK, have friends in many more. I currently live in a very white village. I am visible ethnic minority. I see no sign of racism. I know of a few overt racists at second or third hand (they know someone who knows someone I know).

          There is lots of racism on social media, but even most of that is in reaction to ragebait posts, some posted by people who are not even British.

          • By ozlikethewizard 2026-02-2618:18

            That's great for you! Not sure a single anecdotal experience outweighs the measurable rise in race related crime and the systemic issues that have long been present. Add onto that the sheer number of people who voted reform at the last election, and their pretty stellar local election performance thats forecast to only improve. Then cherry on top it with the anti-migrant rhetoric pushed by the majority of British news firms that has undoubtedly ended up influencing some pretty diabolical policy decisions (Rwanda, changes to student visas, leaving the EU when the leave side campaigned on an almost solely anti-migrant platform). And I guess were just ignoring the actual fascist marches in London over the past couple of years? Or the burning of hotels housing refugees? You can bury your head in the sand if you want, and I really am glad you're not suffering, but people are. Them today, you tomorrow.

    • By red_admiral 2026-02-2612:12

      https://www.gov.uk/evisa/set-up-ukvi-account suggests that there's other options if you can't use the app.

    • By graemep 2026-02-2612:44

      > As problematic as it is to need a contractual relationship with a US company to interact with the UK Government, I'm sure that if you spoke with someone in the Government Digital Service who was involved with this, they'd tell you it was the least bad option.

      They might tell you that, but that does not mean its true. IMO they do not care about dependence on American services. It is very much Somebody Else's Problem.

    • By miohtama 2026-02-2611:53

      "need a contractual relationship with a US company to interact with the UK Government"

      Generally, this is called a vassal state. Better to keep overlords happy.

    • By jacquesm 2026-02-2612:44

      > they'd tell you it was the least bad option.

      They'd tell you that, but they would be lying.

  • By gertrunde 2026-02-2611:577 reply

    One of the more fun related items...

    You are not eligible for an ETA if you are a British citizen.

    On first glance, that sounds fairly common sense, as if you're a citizen, why would you need/want one? But there's a wrinkle...

    It means that British citizens with dual (or more) nationality must have a UK passport, and must travel into the UK using it, and cannot use their other-nationality passport(s) like they used to be able to do.

    Which means paying for a British passport if you didn't have one before.

    (There is an alternative, but it's silly money, £589 vs £95 for an adult passport).

    And IIRC, the whole thing is because of the new electronic border system that's being introduced or something like that.

    • By dtf 2026-02-2612:381 reply

      Some British women now find themselves in a Kafkaesque situation where the UK home office refuses to renew or grant them a UK passport, because their foreign passport is under a different name. (Greece and Spain are mentioned in [1], but I know people in France affected by this)

      Where previously these women could at least travel to their birth country to visit dying relatives on their foreign passport, they are now locked out waiting two months for a £600 entitlement certificate. Meanwhile, non-British visitors can just pay £16 for an ETA on this whizzy app.

      [1] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/16/border-rule...

      • By big-and-small 2026-02-2613:471 reply

        While this is a real problem and I do have relative who had this issue like this there are ways to get new UK passport without paying £600 or changing legal name in other country.

        It's just take digging in government rules and arguing. As long as it's not the first UK passport it's doable.

        • By dtf 2026-02-2614:081 reply

          I'd love to hear any advice on that!

          My friend went round and round and sent many documents back and forth for over a year trying to renew her British passport, to no eventual avail. UK authorities were extremely unsympathetic and unhelpful. The offending "misnamed" foreign passport was long expired and French authorities required a valid British passport to renew it - she was left without any passport at all for over a year, until the French took pity and provided an alternate path to renew her French passport.

          • By big-and-small 2026-02-278:59

            Hey. I will ask how exactly it was solved and try to reply here in a day or two. My relative is woman so problem was that she had her original name in a passport from country of origin and UK passport had her name after marriage.

    • By andsoitis 2026-02-2612:011 reply

      > It means that British citizens with dual (or more) nationality must have a UK passport, and must travel into the UK using it

      This is a pretty common practice for most countries.

      • By dcminter 2026-02-2612:241 reply

        Sure, but it was a change that was slipped through under the radar without any proper justification for it (the situation wasn't even clarified for dual nationals until quite close to the deadline).

        • By jamespo 2026-02-2613:202 reply

          I'd have thought the justification was fairly obvious in that they can keep a better eye on British passport holders

          • By dcminter 2026-02-2614:541 reply

            Amazingly obvious to jamespo is not normally the standard by which new immigration rules are introduced.

            • By jamespo 2026-03-0122:31

              Amazingly != fairly, but I doubt any civil servants responsible for drafting this are going to reply to this thread just for you

          • By andsoitis 2026-02-2618:35

            Isn’t one of the use cases to help determine tax domiciles?

    • By Havoc 2026-02-2612:33

      UK isn’t the only country that does this.

      eg South Africa allows dual but you’re not allowed to use the other passport at border or within country.

      I can kinda understand it from give perspective. Harder to track people when they switch constantly. People flying in on one passport and out with the other etc

    • By xnorswap 2026-02-2612:013 reply

      Most countries require their own dual-nationality citizens to enter on their local passports not foreign ones, Britain was an exception before. It's not unreasonable to ask for the British passport, and I say this as someone affected.

      • By dcminter 2026-02-2612:082 reply

        > It's not unreasonable to ask for the British passport

        Why? What legitimate purpose does this serve?

        • By StopDisinfo910 2026-02-2612:321 reply

          Keeping track of which of your citizens are outside of the country. Ensuring the state knows you are a citizen and should be treated as such.

          France had a weird issue recently about the media talking for ages about someone who committed a crime while the state had asked for him to be deported months before on the basis of his foreign passport and it took weeks for someone to finally notice that the guy was actually French. It made the police looks clownish.

          • By dcminter 2026-02-2612:401 reply

            That's your guess. The UK authorities have never given this reason.

            • By StopDisinfo910 2026-02-2614:471 reply

              You were asking for legitimate purposes. That's some of them.

              • By dcminter 2026-02-2615:11

                I asked for the purpose. You guessed at the purpose. those are different.

        • By varispeed 2026-02-2613:141 reply

          Counting the sheep in the herd.

          • By dcminter 2026-02-2614:57

            Even if one takes this as legitimate, the "foreign" passport gives enough information already (otherwise they couldn't prevent me from acquiring an ETA with it).

      • By RobotToaster 2026-02-2612:451 reply

        I've read the issue is that some countries require you to renounce your previous nationality to get citizenship, and people have taken advantage of not needing a British passport by lying about renouncing their British citizenship.

        I've seen claims this technique was actually recommended by the British consulate, no idea if that's true.

        • By leejo 2026-02-2613:321 reply

          > I've read the issue is that some countries require you to renounce your previous nationality to get citizenship, and people have taken advantage of not needing a British passport by lying about renouncing their British citizenship.

          Oh that's an interesting little loophole that might be a[nother] reason. A handful of EU member states disallow dual citizenship, so those taking advantage of "EU and British" might be impacted by this.

      • By gertrunde 2026-02-2612:041 reply

        ok, did not know that, every day is a school day!

        • By belfthrow 2026-02-2612:28

          But hey the sensationalist comment you originally posted gets your lots of upvotes…

    • By ludicrousdispla 2026-02-2616:56

      One of my former colleagues would refer to this as "introducing an unnecessary constraint"

    • By extraduder_ire 2026-02-2612:041 reply

      Additionally: An Irish passport gets you into the UK just as well as a UK one does.

      • By dghf 2026-02-2612:39

        This new rule might be problematic for those Northern Irish people who identify solely as Irish (as is their right under the Good Friday Agreement) and who only hold an Irish passport: unless things have changed since the DeSouza case [0], the UK Government and UK law treat everyone born in Northern Ireland (as long as at least one of their parents meets citizenship or residency requirements) as a British citizen, regardless of their opinions on the matter. The UK Government holds that this is compatible with the GFA because you can renounce your British citizenship; but you have to pay hundreds of pounds to do so.

        [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_DeSouza

    • By bdbdbdb 2026-02-2613:01

      Small point, if you're traveling from republic of Ireland you don't practically need a passport or an ETA, you can just drive over the invisible border

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