Corruption erodes social trust more in democracies than in autocracies

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IntroductionWhile corruption exists in both democracies and autocracies, its social consequences may differ fundamentally across regime types. Democratic nor...

Introduction:

While corruption exists in both democracies and autocracies, its social consequences may differ fundamentally across regime types. Democratic norms of equality and impartiality make trust highly sensitive to institutional failure. We theorize two mechanisms—normative amplification and representative contagion—by which corruption erodes trust more in democracies. In democracies, corruption violates core fairness norms and implicates the citizenry that elected corrupt officials. In autocracies, corruption is expected and elites are seen as separate from ordinary citizens.

Methods:

To test this theory, we perform multilevel analysis of data from 62 countries combining individual-level survey responses with country-level democratic quality indicators.

Results:

We first demonstrate that perceiving corruption predicts lower generalized trust almost universally across individuals. We then show this individual-level psychological mechanism is considerably stronger in democracies than in autocracies, even controlling for inequality and country-level corruption.

Discussion:

These findings reveal an asymmetric vulnerability: the accountability structures that make democracies function also make their social capital fragile. This has important implications for understanding democratic resilience, as corruption threatens the social trust necessary for democratic cooperation differently across regime types.

Democracy may be uniquely sensitive to certain threats. Recent scholarship on democratic backsliding reveals how democracies can erode from within when norms decay and institutions weaken (Levitsky and Ziblatt, 2018). In this article, we identify a specific sensitivity: in democracies, social capital appears to be particularly responsive to corruption.

We theorize that this sensitivity arises from democracy’s foundational commitments to equality and impartiality. These commitments may create two psychological mechanisms that amplify corruption’s impact on social trust. First, normative amplification: in democracies, where universalism is the professed ideal, corruption may signal a breach of the social contract. Citizens may infer that if the institutions meant to embody fairness are compromised, the wider society is untrustworthy. In autocracies, by contrast, where particularism is expected, corruption confirms business as usual rather than signaling societal rot. Second, representative contagion: in democracies, corrupt officials are viewed as emanating from “the people” through elections, potentially implicating the citizenry itself. In autocracies, predatory elites are seen as a distinct class, quarantining interpersonal trust from elite malfeasance. If these mechanisms operate as theorized, then the individual-level psychological process linking corruption perceptions to social distrust should be regime-dependent—strong in democracies, weak in autocracies.

A study by You (2018) provides suggestive evidence for our thesis. Using country-level data on social trust and corruption, and studying democracies and autocracies separately, he demonstrated that more corruption is strongly associated with weaker social trust among democracies—but not among autocracies. This striking pattern is consistent with our theory. However, as the finding was obtained at the aggregate level, it leaves open whether it reflects genuine differences in how individuals psychologically process corruption, or whether it is an artifact of other phenomena.

The present paper aims to provide individual-level evidence for how trust among people in democracies may be especially sensitive to corruption. After replicating You’s country-level findings in more recent data from 62 countries—covering the full spectrum from autocracies like Russia and Iran to stable liberal democracies like New Zealand and Netherlands—we use multilevel modeling to test whether a corresponding individual-level pattern exists. We find that individuals’ perceptions of corruption are associated with lower generalized trust in democracies, while this same individual-level association is substantially weaker or absent in autocracies. These findings suggest an asymmetry in how corruption relates to social trust across regime types. While democracies foster high social trust through their institutions, they may simultaneously make that social capital more vulnerable to perceptions of institutional failure. This may be the price of accountability: the very norms that make democracies function—equality, representation, transparency—may also ensure that institutional failures resonate in citizens’ social worldviews.

Social trust—the belief that most people can be trusted—has long been recognized as a cornerstone of democratic societies (Putnam, 1993; Fukuyama, 1995). It facilitates civic cooperation, lowers transaction costs, and enables the collective action necessary for democratic governance (Ostrom, 2000; Knack and Keefer, 1997).

A dominant answer in the literature for what erodes this resource is corruption. When citizens perceive that public officials are acting dishonestly, they infer that the wider society is untrustworthy (Uslaner, 2002; Rothstein, 2011; Rothstein and Stolle, 2008). Rothstein and Uslaner (2005) argue that corruption and social trust are linked through perceptions of fairness: corruption signals that the system is rigged in favor of the connected, undermining the belief that others will play by the rules. Similarly, You (2005) emphasizes that corruption generates perceptions of unfairness that erode the foundation of generalized trust. This creates a “vicious circle” where corruption breeds distrust, which in turn facilitates more corruption by undermining collective enforcement of norms (della Porta, 2000; Rose-Ackerman and Palifka, 2016). Empirical research has documented this negative association across diverse contexts (Chang and Chu, 2006; Morris and Klesner, 2010; Richey, 2010; Seligson, 2002).

Importantly, experimental evidence confirms that this relationship is causal: exposing individuals to information about institutional corruption reduces their generalized trust in others. Rothstein and Eek (2009) demonstrate that Swedish participants randomly assigned to scenarios depicting corrupt public officials subsequently express lower trust in strangers. Martinangeli et al. (2024) replicate this finding across multiple countries, showing that learning about poor institutional quality causally reduces generalized trust. These experimental studies establish that the corruption-trust link reflects a genuine psychological mechanism, not merely spurious correlation. Corruption perceptions also have broader psychological consequences: research shows that perceived corruption is associated with increased conspiracy beliefs (Alper, 2023; Cordonier et al., 2021; Cordonier and Cafiero, 2024), suggesting that corruption undermines not only interpersonal trust but also trust in official explanations and institutions more broadly.

However, this narrative is challenged by You's (2018) finding that country-level corruption is not associated with lower social trust in autocracies. To reconcile these findings, we propose that regime type moderates how individuals interpret and react to corruption. In other words, we suggest that regime type influences the very individual-level mechanism that links corruption perceptions to trust. This approach builds on previous work using cross-level interaction models to examine how country-level factors moderate individual-level relationships (Hakhverdian and Mayne, 2012).

2.2 The moderating role of democratic institutions

We propose two micro-level mechanisms whereby individuals in democracies should exhibit a stronger psychological link between corruption perceptions and generalized trust than individuals in autocracies.

2.2.1 Normative amplification

Democratic and autocratic regimes establish fundamentally different normative frameworks. Democracies are built on principles of equality before the law and impartial treatment of citizens (Dahl, 1998). The norm of impartiality—treating citizens equally regardless of their connections or status—is central to the legitimacy of democratic governance (Rothstein and Teorell, 2008; Mungiu-Pippidi, 2015). When officials engage in favoritism or bribery, they betray not just administrative rules but the core promise of democratic governance. This normative amplification means that for individuals living in democracies, corruption signals a fundamental breach of the social contract: if the institutions meant to embody fairness are compromised, why should strangers be trustworthy? (Warren, 2004). In autocracies, by contrast, particularism—the allocation of public goods based on personal connections rather than universal rules—is often the norm rather than the exception (Mungiu-Pippidi, 2006). Corruption is endemic and expected. When individuals perceive corruption in such contexts, it confirms business as usual rather than signaling a breakdown of social order. The psychological link between corruption perceptions and generalized trust is therefore attenuated: corruption is discounted as a survival strategy within a known system (Smith, 2007).

2.2.2 Representative contagion

In democracies, officials are selected through competitive elections and are supposed to represent “the people” (Manin, 1997). This creates what we term representative contagion: when individuals observe that elected officials are corrupt, they may infer that their fellow citizens, who selected these officials and whom these officials represent, are also untrustworthy. The corruption of representatives becomes psychological evidence about the represented (Rothstein and Eek, 2009). In autocracies, by contrast, predatory elites are typically viewed as a distinct class, separate from and often opposed to ordinary citizens (Acemoglu and Robinson, 2012). Their corruption is contained within the political sphere and does not implicate horizontal relationships among citizens. This quarantines interpersonal trust from elite malfeasance. Individuals can maintain trust in their neighbors while simultaneously acknowledging that the ruling class is corrupt (Ledeneva, 2013).

Assuming either, or both, of these mechanisms operate, we obtain three testable hypotheses that build progressively from aggregate patterns to individual-level mechanisms to cross-national moderation. The first hypothesis is that You’s (2018) finding is robust:

H1: At the country level, the association between perceived corruption and generalized trust is strong among democracies and weak or absent among autocracies.

The second hypothesis is that, consistent with the experimental literature, perceiving corruption is generally associated with lower trust in other people.

H2: Within countries, individuals who perceive higher levels of corruption have lower generalized trust.

The third hypothesis is that, consistent with the mechanisms outlined above, the effect of perceiving corruption on trust varies with regime type.

H3: Perceptions of corruption predict lower generalized trust more strongly in democracies than in autocracies.

We combine individual-level data from the most recent wave (2017–2022) of the World Values Survey (WVS; Haerpfer et al., 2022) with country-level indicators (averaged across the same period) of democratic quality from the Varieties of Democracy (V-Dem) project (Coppedge et al., 2025; Pemstein et al., 2025). Our analysis includes 62 countries for which we have complete data on all variables of interest. We use WVS Wave 7 (2017–2022) because it contains the corruption perception module required for our analysis. Although a Joint EVS/WVS dataset exists with 92 countries, the European Values Survey does not include the corruption perception items, making it unsuitable for our purposes. Our 62 countries therefore represent the full set of countries with complete data on perceived corruption, generalized trust, and democratic quality indicators.

The WVS provides our key individual-level measures. Generalized trust is measured by the standard question: “Generally speaking, would you say that most people can be trusted or that you need to be very careful in dealing with people?” Responses are coded 1 for “most people can be trusted” and 0 otherwise. Perceived corruption is measured by asking respondents how widespread they believe corruption to be among public officials, on a scale from 1 (there is no corruption in my country) to 10 (there is abundant corruption in my country). While corruption perceptions may not perfectly align with objective corruption levels (Charron, 2016), perceptions are presumably what directly affect individual trust judgments.

We include standard individual-level controls: age (five categories: 18–29, 30–39, 40–49, 50–59, 60+), gender (male/female), education (three levels based on ISCED categories: low, medium, high), household income (three levels based on the WVS 10-point scale: low [1–3], medium [4–7], high [8–10]), and employment status (three categories: employed [full-time, part-time, or self-employed], not in labor force [retired, homemaker, or student], and unemployed/other).

From V-Dem, we use two measures of democratic quality: the Regimes of the World (RoW) classification and the Liberal Democracy Index. The RoW (Lührmann et al., 2018) is a categorical measure distinguishing closed autocracies (no multiparty elections), electoral autocracies (multiparty elections that are not free and fair), electoral democracies (free elections but limited liberal protections), and liberal democracies (free elections with strong liberal protections). Following our theoretical framework—which emphasizes that the mechanisms of normative amplification and representative contagion require genuine electoral accountability—we create a binary classification: democracies (electoral and liberal democracies, RoW = 2–3) versus autocracies (closed and electoral autocracies, RoW = 0–1). Electoral autocracies are classified as autocracies because, despite having multiparty elections, these elections lack the competitive integrity necessary for the representative contagion mechanism to operate.

In contrast to the categorical RoW measure, the Liberal Democracy Index is a continuous measure, which captures both electoral and liberal dimensions of democracy, including the quality of elections, checks on executive power, equality before the law, and individual liberties. This index ranges from 0 (least democratic) to 1 (most democratic). We use the Liberal Democracy Index rather than the Electoral Democracy Index (also known as Polyarchy) because our theoretical mechanisms—normative amplification and representative contagion—depend on features beyond electoral procedures. The liberal component of the Liberal Democracy Index captures the rule of law, checks on executive power, and equality before the law, which are central to our argument that corruption in democracies violates norms of impartiality. In robustness analyses, we also test whether results hold using the Electoral Democracy Index as an alternative moderator.

3.2 Analysis plan

Our research design tests three progressively refined hypotheses outlined above.

3.2.1 Country-level analysis (H1)

To test H1, we calculate country-level aggregates of perceived corruption and generalized trust, then examine whether their correlation differs when calculated separately among democracies and autocracies as defined by the RoW categorization. H1 predicts a strong negative correlation between perceived corruption and generalized trust among democracies but a weaker correlation among autocracies.

The above dichotomous analysis matches the original approach of You (2018). As a continuous alternative, we also examine the interaction between perceived corruption and the Liberal Democracy Index in a multiple regression analysis of country-level generalized trust. H1 predicts a negative interaction, representing a stronger negative effect of corruption in more democratic countries.

3.2.2 Multilevel analysis (H2, H3)

To test whether the aggregate pattern reflects genuine individual-level mechanisms (H2) and whether these mechanisms vary by regime type (H3), we estimate a random-intercept, random-slope multilevel logistic regression model. This approach models the hierarchical structure of the data, with individuals nested within countries. Standard errors appropriately reflect uncertainty at both levels.

At Level 1 (individual), generalized trust is modeled as a function of perceived corruption, controlling for demographic characteristics (age, gender, education, income, and employment status). At Level 2 (country), we allow both the intercept and the slope for perceived corruption to vary across countries. Crucially, we include a cross-level interaction between perceived corruption and the Liberal Democracy Index (treated as a continuous variable), which directly tests H3: whether the individual-level corruption-trust relationship varies with democratic quality. In other words, the cross-level interaction estimates whether the psychological mechanism linking corruption perceptions to trust operates differently depending on institutional context.

Formally, the model can be expressed as follows:

Level 1 (Individual):

Level 2 (Country):

where is the probability of expressing trust for individual i in country j; is perceived corruption (grand-mean centered); is a vector of demographic controls; is the Liberal Democracy Index (grand-mean centered); is the cross-level interaction coefficient testing H3; and , are country-level random effects assumed to follow a bivariate normal distribution.

For computational efficiency with large sample sizes (>85,000 individuals), we use an aggregated binomial approach. Observations are grouped by country, corruption level, and demographic categories, and trust incidence is modeled using a binomial distribution. This yields estimates identical to individual-level analysis but with substantially improved computational performance. Both perceived corruption and the Liberal Democracy Index are grand-mean centered to facilitate interpretation of main effects.

We also conduct robustness checks including: (1) adding competing cross-level moderators to test whether these factors can account for the democracy moderation; (2) testing press freedom, the Electoral Democracy Index, and state resilience (Travaglino et al., 2025) as alternative moderators in separate models (as their high correlations with liberal democracy, r = 0.90 and 0.78 respectively, preclude simultaneous estimation); and (3) leave-one-out analyses to ensure no single country drives the results.

For competing moderators, we include economic inequality (Gini coefficient from SWIID; Solt, 2020), political polarization (from V-Dem), and measures of digital information access. We include both social media use as a self-reported news source (country-level mean from WVS item on frequency of obtaining political information from social media) and internet penetration (percentage of population using the internet; World Bank, 2024).

If our theory is correct, we should observe a negative main association between corruption perceptions and trust at the individual level (H2) and a negative cross-level interaction, indicating that the corruption-trust relationship is stronger (more negative) in more democratic countries (H3).

Table 1 presents the 62 countries, ordered by the Liberal Democracy Index, with their results for generalized trust and perceived corruption.

CountryRegime type (RoW)Liberal democracy indexNGeneralized trust (%)Perceived corruption M (SD)
New ZealandDemocracy0.831,05759.55.52 (2.37)
GermanyDemocracy0.831,52846.05.58 (2.22)
NetherlandsDemocracy0.822,14561.26.20 (2.16)
UruguayDemocracy0.811,00014.97.70 (2.29)
AustraliaDemocracy0.80181354.06.65 (2.28)
United KingdomDemocracy0.793,05645.87.10 (2.25)
ChileDemocracy0.791,00014.37.10 (2.11)
Korea SouthDemocracy0.781,24532.96.51 (1.59)
CanadaDemocracy0.764,01849.56.73 (2.00)
JapanDemocracy0.751,35335.66.88 (2.06)
United StatesDemocracy0.742,59639.77.83 (2.10)
Slovak RepublicDemocracy0.741,20021.67.81 (1.91)
Czech RepublicDemocracy0.731,20037.37.06 (2.00)
TaiwanDemocracy0.721,22331.07.61 (2.10)
GreeceDemocracy0.701,2008.48.37 (1.70)
CyprusDemocracy0.701,0008.08.23 (1.91)
PeruDemocracy0.681,4005.39.51 (1.21)
ArgentinaDemocracy0.641,00320.78.51 (1.63)
BrazilDemocracy0.5717626.69.45 (1.57)
RomaniaDemocracy0.561,25711.98.73 (1.85)
TunisiaDemocracy0.531,20814.28.16 (2.41)
ColombiaDemocracy0.531,5204.59.48 (1.48)
MongoliaDemocracy0.511,63827.57.60 (2.20)
ArmeniaDemocracy0.471,2238.17.55 (2.70)
EcuadorDemocracy0.451,2005.98.88 (1.84)
IndonesiaDemocracy0.443,2005.28.38 (2.51)
KenyaAutocracy0.411,2669.68.46 (2.36)
MexicoDemocracy0.41174110.38.87 (2.05)
GuatemalaDemocracy0.391,22918.09.14 (1.67)
NigeriaDemocracy0.361,23712.78.74 (2.18)
MaldivesDemocracy0.341,03921.39.27 (1.45)
SingaporeAutocracy0.33201234.03.52 (1.99)
IndiaAutocracy0.321,69217.77.77 (2.27)
BoliviaDemocracy0.3220678.68.63 (1.94)
PhilippinesAutocracy0.301,2005.36.73 (2.71)
MalaysiaAutocracy0.301,31319.68.00 (2.00)
UkraineAutocracy0.281,28930.78.41 (1.88)
LebanonAutocracy0.281,2009.97.83 (2.03)
KyrgyzstanAutocracy0.281,20011.88.90 (2.09)
SerbiaAutocracy0.271,04616.68.39 (1.92)
PakistanAutocracy0.25199523.58.70 (2.06)
JordanAutocracy0.241,20316.08.20 (2.27)
IraqAutocracy0.241,20011.28.78 (1.73)
MoroccoAutocracy0.241,20016.57.70 (2.00)
Hong Kong SARAutocracy0.22207539.55.44 (2.03)
ZimbabweAutocracy0.201,2152.18.55 (2.57)
Myanmar (Burma)Autocracy0.171,20015.17.38 (2.56)
ThailandAutocracy0.161,50031.46.97 (2.35)
LibyaAutocracy0.141,1969.39.12 (1.55)
EthiopiaAutocracy0.141,23011.98.65 (2.21)
EgyptAutocracy0.121,2007.48.52 (1.81)
KazakhstanAutocracy0.121,27623.96.98 (2.27)
VietnamAutocracy0.111,20027.77.37 (2.13)
TurkeyAutocracy0.112,41514.36.57 (2.22)
IranAutocracy0.111,49914.86.77 (3.13)
BangladeshAutocracy0.101,20012.97.75 (2.06)
RussiaAutocracy0.09181023.97.66 (2.00)
UzbekistanAutocracy0.071,25034.76.71 (2.56)
VenezuelaAutocracy0.061,19014.28.66 (1.80)
NicaraguaAutocracy0.051,2004.27.87 (2.79)
ChinaAutocracy0.043,03665.46.49 (2.37)
TajikistanAutocracy0.041,20020.65.62 (2.58)

Country-level summary statistics.

Countries are ordered by Liberal Democracy Index (V-Dem). Regime Type is based on the Regimes of the World (RoW) classification: democracies include electoral and liberal democracies; autocracies include closed and electoral autocracies. N represents the number of WVS respondents from each country. Generalized Trust represents the percentage of respondents answering “most people can be trusted.” Perceived Corruption shows the mean and standard deviation on a 1–10 scale.

Figure 1 tests H1 by showing how country-level generalized trust varies with perceived corruption, separately for democracies and autocracies. In support of H1, the pattern strikingly differs between regime types. Among democracies, there is a strong negative relationship: countries with higher perceived corruption have substantially lower generalized trust. Among autocracies, this relationship is considerably weaker—replicating You's (2018) finding in more recent data and with a theory-driven operationalization of regime type based on the Regimes of the World classification. The alternative analysis using the continuous Liberal Democracy Index as a moderator of the effect of perceived corruption on generalized trust confirms this pattern: the country-level interaction between perceived corruption and liberal democracy is negative (B = −12.07, 95% CI [−22.36, −1.77], p = 0.022).


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  • By yason 2026-03-1615:0514 reply

    It's well known that in authoritarian regimes (which autocracies generally are) corruption is, rather than a problem, a necessary element of society to keep things going.

    Anyone with the slightest amount of official power, like a government officer, has the ability to prevent things going forward on his part. In this kind of society, most people are poor and it would be considered stupid to not demand a small (or large) bribe from the citizen in order to unlock the process. Everyone does it, more with outsiders and to a lesser extent with one's circle of acquaintances (because the social fabric between known parties is the other way to unlock things). Corruption surely is one thing that really trickles down from the top.

    So, things like like obediently waiting in the queue for your turn or complaining about the officer won't help unlike in high-trust societies. If you try that in a low-trust society there will be additional documents, stamps, acknowledges, or signatures you need, and keep needing, in order to complete your request until you get the drift and bring a little something. Corruption gets things going and in a society that has no trust it is a positive trait.

    In Western democracies this sounds unimaginable because there's a stronger sense that right things will work out right just because of the rules. Western corruption happens on a different level: a regular western citizen has no benefit from giving bribes and he would object to the police or government officials from demanding one. Western corruption mostly concerns about the powerful and rich making friendly mutual agreements to bend the governing bodies and law to enable themselves become more powerful and richer.

    • By ACS_Solver 2026-03-1616:355 reply

      Very well said. I live in Sweden, one of the world's highest-trust societies, but I have experience from a more corrupt environment and my whole family lived most of their lives in a corrupt autocracy.

      This means that in a corrupt society, it's extremely difficult as an individual not to participate. The corruption isn't something that happens at some level, it's a core part of the economy. If you try to do things by the book, you will just not get any result. You won't get to buy a limited product by waiting your turn. You won't get your kids into a better high school by having them display academic excellence. If you take a principled stance and refuse to participate in the many small-scale acts of corruption the society runs on, you'll have a harder life. I don't want to say it's impossible but I would compare it to living off-grid in a modern Western country. It's possible but it requires a lot of dedication and that lifestyle then determines many aspects of your life.

      • By gmd63 2026-03-1617:221 reply

        Access to corruption is never widely understood and accessible to every person, otherwise it would be written into law and stated plainly for everyone to see. Corruption is a form of economic eugenics that breeds fraudsters and cheaters who can buy into the in-group via know-how, money or aesthetics while slowing the growth of a law abiding populace that competes honestly on merit but doesn't fit the unwritten rules of admission. Any participation in that system is a spiraling force that makes the world worse, and it's always a choice.

        In the US we're being led by a career fraudster who was a Wharton grad only because he had a family friend who was an admissions officer, and according to his sister, he paid someone to take his SATs for him. We have not been serious about the massive consequences of white collar fraud and corruption and we are now beginning to understand the butterfly effects.

        • By tines 2026-03-1622:17

          > Access to corruption is never widely understood and accessible to every person, otherwise it would be written into law and stated plainly for everyone to see.

          This is an uninformed non-sequitur. In China or Mexico for example, it's well known that to get certain things done you have to bribe local officials. The central government is against corruption by policy, but nevertheless corruption is endemic. It's only "inaccessible" to some because some people are poor and can't afford the bribes.

      • By btilly 2026-03-1617:074 reply

        As I commented elsewhere, the Russian name for this is blat. It isn't just corruption. It is a personal trust network for getting things done, that you can't get done if you follow the official rules. You get what you need through corruption, and your ability to do so strengthens your trust in your personal network.

        See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn86C4ZwBSg for an excellent explanation of it. And also an explanation of why the most important thing that Epstein did (the thing that actually made him most of it money), was run a blat network. Elites who had learned to trust that he could let them have otherwise impossible sexual experiences, were willing to pay him large amounts to broker introductions and financial deals that others couldn't.

        • By ACS_Solver 2026-03-1617:374 reply

          Right. And oh my do I hate blat.

          It's a difficult concept to translate to English because it's not synonymous with corruption or bribes. A one-time bribe transaction isn't blat. You want a school to accept your kid so you "gift" the school some supplies, that's not blat, it's a one-time thing and the school principal doesn't owe you any additional favors. Blat is more like a social network of people trading favors, and each individual transaction within your blat network may involve different things. It could be money, it could be access to a product (that you still have to pay for), it could be time or labor.

          Maybe you know a plumber and he will come look at plumbing problems for you and your family, for free or for a low price. But you work at a grocery store and the plumber can always buy cheese because you set some aside for him. That's a blat relationship. And then the blat network grows - one day you mention you'd like to see a theater pay and it turns out the plumber's wife works in a theater and can help you get tickets, he'll set you up. Your husband is an engineer though so he can help tutor their child in mathematics.

          • By suzzer99 2026-03-1623:08

            This basically describes how boards of directors and other power structures at that level work. Just with much more expensive assets and favors.

          • By fwipsy 2026-03-1618:004 reply

            None of those examples you gave sound like corruption to me, with the possible exception of tickets. It seems to me that the problem is when people who are in a position of power and responsibility abuse their power for personal ends. Plumbing or tutoring or cheese are privately held goods and surely the possessors of those goods can dispose of them how they want?

            Or perhaps in all of these examples the plumber/grocer/engineer is entrusted with responsibility from the government to ration a scarce resource?

            • By btilly 2026-03-1618:222 reply

              They are all corruption, or corruption adjacent.

              The plumber is working for a company. He's supposed to be working on an official job. But he's doing the work slowly because he's actually working on your plumbing problem.

              You are working for the grocery store. You are stealing cheese from the store system that is supposed to allocate it, and making it available it to the plumber as payment for your plumber being corrupt on your behalf.

              Again, the wife "who can help you get tickets" is stealing access to them. That's corruption.

              The engineer who is tutoring, is paying for that act of corruption. This may or may not happen when the engineer is officially supposed to being doing something else as part of their job. If so, that's possible because people learn to look the other way for you, so that you'll look the other way for them.

              And in a society where everything works this way, what do you think happens to overall economic productivity? Exactly! Which creates scarcity. Scarcity that makes the ability to get things through the blat network even more valuable!

              • By thatcat 2026-03-1622:48

                Would you say the scarcity is what starts the corruption?

                Like you can't get a plumber so you have to use your personal network or there aren't enough tickets so you have to obtain one through your personal network, etc?

              • By fwipsy 2026-03-1618:431 reply

                None of that was specified. As I said earlier, the problem is not with quid pro quo; it's in the stealing which you've now specified as additional context. I could just as easily specify another context where each of these actions are legitimate. (Perhaps free tickets are part of the theater worker's perks.)

                If I said "I baked a cake for my mother," then you could say "BUT YOU STOLE THE FLOUR!" It doesn't prove anything.

                • By btilly 2026-03-1619:221 reply

                  My guess as to why it was not specified, is that the corruption is so obvious to anyone who has lived it, that it is easy to forget that others might not get the context. It's like someone trying to describe how fish live, but not remembering to remind people that water is wet.

                  That said, there were contextual clues. If you go back, I said, "You get what you need through corruption..." The next reply was agreeing and expanding on that. This strongly suggests that each step in the description involves corruption in some way.

                  That said, hopefully you're now clear that these blat networks involve pervasive corruption.

                  When a community that is used to blat networks moves to a different country, the blat network doesn't go away. Throughout US history, it has been common to see blat networks in immigrant communities turn into straight up organized crime. The most famous example being the rise of the Mafia. But it is hardly an isolated example.

                  • By ACS_Solver 2026-03-1621:06

                    > My guess as to why it was not specified, is that the corruption is so obvious to anyone who has lived it, that it is easy to forget that others might not get the context. It's like someone trying to describe how fish live, but not remembering to remind people that water is wet.

                    Yes. It's fascinating, HN is in most ways a bubble with a particular kind of leadership, but sometimes these cultural differences shine through.

                    To me, it's completely obvious that in the case of a plumber working through blat, he's not just legitimately doing extra work (assuming the law allows that in the first place). Of course it means the plumber is working on your pipes while he's supposed to be doing his actual job, or maybe he actually does it outside the hours but when he needs to replace some part for you, he steals it from his work. But apparently to people who grew up in a different environment, what comes to mind is legitimate side business.

            • By ryandrake 2026-03-1618:424 reply

              Yea, I guess I don't get it either. I know someone who can eat at a local restaurant for free whenever he wants because he knows the owner. In return, he helps the owner maintain his car and does little odd handyman jobs around the owner's house for him. Is this blat? Is it corruption? Or is it just friends doing each other favors?

              • By btilly 2026-03-1619:56

                It's a slippery slope.

                What rules are you breaking to do your favor? What rules do you expect someone else to break for the return favor? What rules might they later expect you to break? To what extent do you stop seeing the rules of external society as rules that you're supposed to follow?

                It starts as favors.

                By the time you're stealing from your employer, it's blat.

                By the time you're recruiting one friend to submit paperwork to help another friend commit insurance fraud, it's still blat. But also its starting to look like something else.

                Once you owe a favor to a Mafia Don, it's called organized crime. But the underlying blat is still recognizable.

              • By hatthew 2026-03-1621:39

                From the sound of it (I have never heard of blat before this post), the important distinction is that the owner is on board with it. If he could eat for free because he knew a server who would give him the employee discount, it would be blat. If he worked as a mechanic and took parts from his employer to repair his friend's car, it would be blat.

              • By creato 2026-03-1619:55

                It's pretty tiring seeing so many people push the bounds of acceptable behavior. It's pretty simple: should someone in your chain of management discipline you for setting aside that cheese? If yes, you are engaging in corruption.

                That action is basically stochastic theft from the grocery store, because you've altered the pricing of a possibly scarce good.

              • By nephihaha 2026-03-1621:28

                We call that restaurant thing "mate's rates" here. There is a symbiotic relationship there, a trace of barter and also keeps work off the tax books.

            • By ACS_Solver 2026-03-1618:172 reply

              Well in the Soviet case, plumbing and cheese are most certainly not privately held resources. Doing such work as a plumber means you're essentially acting as self-employed or a business, which is illegal. The cheese is probably produced on a collective farm and sold at a state-owned store.

              But surely the cheese case would not be okay even in a Western capitalist context where the store is privately owned. Just replace it with a more scarce product. A store employee isn't allowed to tell customers the store is out of iPhones while keeping a dozen stashed for preferred buyers.

              • By awesome_dude 2026-03-1618:46

                For a Western context, perhaps "tickets to a highly sought after event"

              • By fwipsy 2026-03-1618:471 reply

                In Western capitalist context, An apple employee can't do that because they would be stealing from Apple. If they are reselling phones that belong to them, they can dispose of them however they like.

                I think the Soviet context is key. Because the state is rationing these items, it creates a black market based on personal connections. In Western society nobody cares because (ideally) the market is competitive and you can just buy from someone else.

                • By ACS_Solver 2026-03-1618:59

                  Yes, an Apple employee doing that would be stealing from Apple. But in the capitalist context, we also have entirely legal business models that I would argue are equivalent to corruption ethically. A business that chooses to sell its products or services only to a select group of customers (entirely legal) and then picks those customers not exclusively based on their finances but based on what else they can provide. Such as access to certain people, different favors, etc. That is IMO ethically questionable.

                  But the Soviet everyday corruption variety of retail employees reserving cheese for someone who can return favors, that particular thing is particular to a socialist economy with a scarcity of relatively basic goods.

            • By awesome_dude 2026-03-1618:45

              > the problem is when people who are in a position of power and responsibility abuse their power for personal ends

              Is that not the definition of corruption?

          • By adiabatichottub 2026-03-1618:01

            I don't know about difficult to translate, sounds a lot like being a "Good Old Boy"

            https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/good_old_boy

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_boy_network#United_States

            Of course, it has several connotations depending on exact context.

          • By jimbokun 2026-03-1618:52

            Seems like a big part of it is an extensive barter network since the straightforward exchange of cash for services has broken down, so you need to know the right people with skills or access to, and something of value to offer them in return.

        • By petsfed 2026-03-1617:242 reply

          I was initially confused because blat (блат,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors)) sounds, to my non-slavic-speaking-ear very close to bylad (блядь, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_profanity#Bly%C3%A1d'), and I thought "even the Russians wouldn't be that cynically direct about it, right?"

          • By btilly 2026-03-1617:44

            They may sound somewhat similar, but apparently have unrelated origins. блат is borrowed from Yiddish, while блядь has a Slavic root.

            That said, they do sound less similar to someone who has learned a Slavic language. We learn to distinguish pairs of sounds that differ in our language. English doesn't have a lot of words with a "ya" sound, and so to us "я"and "а" are easy to confuse. It is easy to confuse "d" and "t". But the easier to hear distinction is a hard sign т versus the soft sign on дь. But hard versus soft isn't even a concept in English, so you're not listening for it.

          • By ACS_Solver 2026-03-1617:40

            I can confirm those words do not in fact sound very close. They're not etymologically related either, and to a fluent Russian speaker they don't sound particularly similar.

        • By torginus 2026-03-1618:092 reply

          It's interesting that you contrast Sweden and Russia, considering while I have not lived and worked in Russia, I've worked with Swedes quite a bit and my experience with them is that they don't really emphasize red tape that much - in the context of development, they don't really mind if you bend the rules if it's for a good cause - what I mean is there's a general attitude of pursuing sensible outcomes over blindly following processes.

          They're also not big on oversight and I got what it looked like to me a surprising amount of autonomy and responsibilty in a very short amount of time, that I felt out of depth for a while, but got accustomed to it. A very laissez faire way of work.

          I felt much of the system was informal, and based on the expectation of not abusing trust. Which was very refreshing, as most companies in my experience exist in a state of bureaucratic gridlock - you need to push the change to repo X, but Y needs to sign off on it, and it depends on changes by person Z, who's held up by similar issues etc.

          It's a very emotionally draining and unproductive way of working, and is usually overseen by bosses who create these processes, because they don't trust their employees, or to get a feeling of power and control, or they simply don't understand how and what their subordinates do, so they kind of try to force things into these standard flows.

          Which also doesn't work, but it accountably doesn't work. Even if a days' changes take a week, and still end up lacking, you can point to that Task A is blocked by deliverable B, which is at a low priority at team Foo, so lets have a meeting with that teams manager to make sure to prioritize that in the next sprint etc etc etc.

          This is how most places turn into that meme picture where there's one guy digging a hole and 5 people oversee him.

          • By ACS_Solver 2026-03-1618:21

            I didn't mention Russia, and I've never had the misfortune of living there - though I speak the language and am well familiar with the capture.

            The Swedish term for how you describe work is "frihet under ansvar" - translated, "freedom under responsibility". That's a common approach at workplaces where you're doing qualified work, like engineering, and the meaning is that you're given a lot of flexibility and freedom in how you do your work as long as you reach the expected result and you take responsibility if things don't work out. That's good, and yes companies here are very informal. We don't even culturally like things like managers instructing employees on what to do, it's all phrased very casually.

            In context of government work or the public sector, I'd say we take rules and procedures seriously, which is one of my favorite things about the country. To me, that makes interactions much more predictable than in countries with a "people before systems" culture.

          • By jimbokun 2026-03-1619:001 reply

            One interesting effect of LLMs getting so good at generating code, all of the process related things you mention take up a greater and greater percentage of the overall time to develop and deploy a feature, making them even more salient.

            • By torginus 2026-03-1620:46

              They always have. I would guess the majority of people employed and salaries paid on a given project basically goes to waste. Just today I had an hour-long meeting about an impact of a bug, which was clear as day with a simple fix, but would've involved so much red tape to fix (for no good reason), that the couple minute fix-deploy-test-merge cycle would've taken at least a week of effort spread across people.

        • By gkoz 2026-03-1620:40

          What a blast from the past, this word. Exactly right. It was a spectrum from a sort of mutual aid to regular corruption to outright mafia.

      • By BrenBarn 2026-03-1618:561 reply

        > If you take a principled stance and refuse to participate in the many small-scale acts of corruption the society runs on, you'll have a harder life.

        I think increasingly this describes how things work in the US, if we broaden our definition of "corruption" a bit to include things like corporations stealing your data, charging hidden fees, etc.

        • By geodel 2026-03-1620:02

          I'd add tipping system for various services, but specially restaurants etc in definition of corruption too. Here blame pass around between employees, owners, restaurant associations, govt officials making/ passing laws etc. But end result is customer keep paying extra charges or being labeled as worst customers.

          I love how media is in this game , printing endless articles how customers are really supposed to pay tips because poor server. And even when customers are revolting against tipping culture it is going from 25% to 22% as a way of speaking truth to power.

      • By awesome_dude 2026-03-1618:421 reply

        One thing that I want to add - Westerners have experience of this sort of corruption, every day.

        Not at a governmental level, and not powered by cash, but it is seen when working for companies.

        Managers are highly corruptible - it's got next to nothing to do with the output of a given worker, instead it's about their ability to "kiss up" (something framed as "soft skills")

        • By hunterpayne 2026-03-1622:56

          If the managers are not taking bribes or favors for better treatment that isn't corruption...its just bad management. Those aren't he same thing even though you might have the same emotional reaction to them.

      • By drysine 2026-03-1617:45

        >in a corrupt society, it's extremely difficult as an individual not to participate

        Russia is considered a corrupt country by the West, but I have never bribed anyone and never felt that a bribe is expected.

        >better high school by having them display academic excellence

        Worked just fine for me.

    • By Telemakhos 2026-03-1615:273 reply

      How does this square with regimes like Singapore, which is one of the least corrupt nations in the world yet also an authoritarian, one-party system?

      • By zipy124 2026-03-1615:3212 reply

        It doesn't because their premise falls apart in democracies too. Civil servants in democracies are not elected and they have the same 'stopping power'. A planning officer in the UK could just as easily decide to arbritrarily block plans they disagree with as in an authoratian country.

        • By oersted 2026-03-1616:102 reply

          That's not true, in a democracy you tend to have methods of appeal that actually work, and their threat keeps the wheels of bureaucracy greased.

          This is because, in principle, everything comes down to the fundamental threat that the people can remove the current government, and the government does have full control over the unelected civil servants. If they keep ignoring appeals, they'll eventually get dethroned.

          There's a nice symmetry between this and the fact that the law is ultimately guaranteed by the governments monopoly on violence. They can dethrone you too if you don't comply.

          When a democracy works, there can be a very effective balance between the people's leverage towards the government and the governments leverage towards the people.

          In an authoritarian regime the same forces are present but they are not balanced in the same way. The people can still rise up and dethrone the ruler through violence, but that is so much harder, and it is mostly offset by the governments greater power of violence. So they can get away with so much more.

          • By wagwang 2026-03-1617:171 reply

            The US elected government has no control over the unelected civil servants as congress over the past 150 years did everything they could to prevent the spoils system.

            • By wwweston 2026-03-1617:331 reply

              Elected officials have significant influence they can bring to bear on specific decisions, general operations, and in many cases personnel decisions. That’s true at the level of individual house members and can be more true for other offices.

              The rule of law and checks and balances also means these elected officeholders don’t have arbitrary control, which has a lot of upsides (and produced a professional and effective federal workforce) as well as some limits.

              I swear we have a problem where we quantize to caricatures rather than recognizing tuned balance, and control theorists would probably anticipate this means things will start to swing a bit wildly.

              • By wagwang 2026-03-1618:28

                Executive power over the civil service is an ant driving an elephant. You can say it's a good thing and it's intentional, but the fact of the matter is that the executive appoint a fraction of a percent of the positions and those positions have nominal personnel powers that they can't really use without fear of getting sued.

          • By peyton 2026-03-1616:591 reply

            I think this is completely wrong. For a democracy to form, substantially everyone must have bought in. That’s the upstream, not the threat of removal. Authoritarian “regimes” are constantly under threat of removal.

            • By t-3 2026-03-1617:351 reply

              This is one thing many forget, mostly due to drinking our own koolaid about the inherent superiority of liberal democracy. Authoritarian regimes almost by definition have high public support, because they couldn't function at all if even a relatively small proportion of society went against them. The people who want to overthrow them are either out of the country or insignificant. Dictatorship is impossible without populism.

              • By greedo 2026-03-1618:031 reply

                This doesn't make any sense to me. There are and have been numerous authoritarian regimes that lack "high public support", now and in the past. The entire idea for most authoritarian regimes is to slowly minimize the power of those who oppose them. And then, they spend a huge amount of resources looking for dissent (SD/Gestapo, Stasi, etc.) and trying to control the societal narrative.

                • By t-3 2026-03-1618:481 reply

                  Any government that lacks public support collapses.

                  Democratic governments can operate without a plurality of support for the current government, because the population generally supports and is invested in the system of government. When democratic governments fail, there is usually very little danger of violence or economic and societal instability, because there is trust in those systems. Corruption and malfeasance harms trust in the systems of governance which democracies depend upon.

                  Authoritarian governments depend on confidence in the government to continue functioning. The system of government isn't necessarily trusted, the workers of government aren't necessarily trusted, but the leaders are in charge and doing things. Media manipulation and effective propaganda is certainly an important tool for these governments, but pointing out that it exists doesn't mean that it doesn't work! Propaganda totally does work, by almost all measures. Russia, China, Cuba, Iran all have high domestic support for the government.

                  Authoritarian governments also tend to be very stable - people know what to expect. Democracies change periodically. The stability and familiarity are key to the trust that authoritarian governments maintain. The protests in Iran prior to the current conflict are a good example of what happens when a government fails to maintain the trust of the people - the arrival of war saved the current regime from falling apart at the seams when Khomeini died of cancer in a few months and a squabble for the leadership broke out amid a collapsing economy.

                  • By greedo 2026-03-1620:321 reply

                    I think that you're underestimating the power of authoritarianism. For Iran, I don't think the government was in any danger prior to the war. It was capable of exerting control through the state apparatus quite easily. And look at North Korea, you think that the people under that government are supportive? That's nonsense on stilts.

                    Also, that collapse you refer to can take an awful long time under authoritarian control.

                    • By hunterpayne 2026-03-1623:09

                      I feel like this discussion is more about westerners who don't understand the actual effects of political repression. A reminder, Nicolae Ceaușescu had a 90+% approval rating just a week before he was put on trial and deleted in less than a day. Measuring approval ratings in authoritarian regimes is an almost impossible task if you care at all about accuracy.

        • By mentalgear 2026-03-1615:48

          I fundamentally disagree. While there may be outlier cases, the core of a democracy is the separation of powers: the judiciary, the executive, and the legislative branches. If an agent within one branch violates the rules, you have the legal recourse to appeal to the others. In an authoritarian state, there is only one pillar of power - meaning there is zero recourse for citizens.

          Furthermore, I’m tired of the false equivalence some people in this thread draw between the level of corruption in democracies and authoritarian regimes. They are simply not on the same scale - if you ever experienced both you would know that.

        • By collabs 2026-03-1615:38

          My guess is there is some kind of momentum with these things. If everybody demands bribes, then by not demanding bribes yourself when you are in a position to do so, you are effectively pissing away your take but remember you still need to pay bribes to everyone else because they don't care you didn't take bribes.

          On the flip side, if nobody else requires bribes but you do, you will surely stick out like a sore thumb. If I don't get paid bribes and I am an influential powerful person, why should I pay you any bribes? Especially for something that is legitimate and a part of your duties?

        • By jltsiren 2026-03-1618:43

          Democracies are different from each other. There are many ways you can build a society from the same basic principles.

          One key difference is the extent the authorities have discretionary powers. Can they do whatever the consider necessary to do their jobs (until the courts tell otherwise), or do they only have the powers explicitly given by the law? Common law systems tend to favor discretionary powers, but they vary on how eager the courts are to keep the officials in check. Civil law systems can be anywhere on the spectrum, but it's usually a legislative choice made in advance rather than a judicial choice made after the fact.

        • By Gravityloss 2026-03-1615:491 reply

          I am not a historian but the difference is between a society with a "rule of law" and "law of the jungle". Probably high democracy correlates with rule of law, but they are not the same thing.

          • By groundzeros2015 2026-03-1617:571 reply

            I don’t think this is true. 20th century authoritarians made great effort to leverage the law and use legal systems.

            Rule of law doesn’t address the problem of bad laws (from bad governance).

            • By hunterpayne 2026-03-1623:14

              Don't confuse having courts with rule of law. Read up in the thread, someone mentioned how important separation of powers is. I can't stress how true this idea is. In authoritarian regimes, courts are under the control of the dictator, not a separate branch who will overrule even their own political party (as just happened in the US and regularly happens all over the west).

        • By Shitty-kitty 2026-03-1616:56

          Resepect for the rule of law is whats important. In Singapore you can sue the government, same as in the U.S Try to do that in China and the only thing that's going to happen, is you being sent a a reducation camp.

        • By newyankee 2026-03-1617:48

          Civil Servants in India (with traces to British era) are considered the invisible rulers of the country. Getting selected is like becoming a local lord.

        • By dzonga 2026-03-1619:47

          this is the uncomfortable truth people are unwilling to accept.

          can democratic societies be corrupt, can autocratic societies be not corrupt this is also true.

          accept things as they're, not as they ought to be - one of the fundamental lessons one has to learn to operate in this world.

        • By thighbaugh 2026-03-1617:241 reply

          More easily because in a democratic society there is absolutely no risk of having something like that come out and the need for the autocrat to save face and jealously assert the civil servant acted outside of the will of the autocrat thus behead the arbitrary civil servant to cheering crowds according to popular demand.

          At worst the person gets fired and is prohibited from public sector jobs at that tier of government afterwards for a period of time while the story is fresh in peoples minds, in the rare case the plutocratic owned media let's such a story come out of its mass media products about the not-paid-for bureaucratic elements of government in hopes of reducing polarization that comes from over-promoting one of the arbitrarily different parties as a means of providing the commoners what Orwell called "Two Minutes Hate" or a means of obtaining cathartic release from the tensions that making them believe they are somehow co-authors of the government to keep them engaged as willing participants.

          • By hunterpayne 2026-03-1623:18

            "providing the commoners what Orwell called "Two Minutes Hate" or a means of obtaining cathartic release from the tensions that making them believe they are somehow co-authors of the government to keep them engaged as willing participants."

            This explains the current state of US mass media so well...

        • By pjc50 2026-03-1616:29

          This is why so much planning gets decided in judicial review.

        • By groundzeros2015 2026-03-1617:44

          The culture and trust of the people makes the system work or fail, not the system itself.

        • By walthamstow 2026-03-1615:421 reply

          A planning officer, who happens to share an uncommon surname with the local MP, did just that with an application of mine recently. No site visit, no photos, no respect to the law, just NO.

          • By onraglanroad 2026-03-1616:49

            That provides an easy solution: complain to your MP. At length. And then ask if the planning officer happens to be a relative, as though it has just occurred to you.

            And then you might consider talking to the local paper to see if it would make a story. Also the crapper tabloids might even pay for the story.

      • By Aloha 2026-03-1616:23

        To my knowledge, while authoritarian it's not a totalitarian state, and Singapore has fairly effective means of redress (aka, rule of law).

      • By mentalgear 2026-03-1615:304 reply

        These are the 'benevolent authoritarian-ship' outliers - very rare and depends on chance that the current person in power truly acts in the interest of the public - but when they are gone there's no legal framework in place that keeps their successors to do whatever they please.

        EDIT: commenters are still all referring to Singapore which I remind you is the very rare outlier case.

        • By bobthepanda 2026-03-1617:44

          Part of what makes Singapore interesting is that they have yet to have a leader truly invested in subsuming the power of the system. A big thing of Xi Jinping’s rise to power has been the systematic dismantling of post-Mao checks on power.

          Singapore has yet to have a leader willing to take over the system, because two of its leaders were the dynasty that created the system. The real test is what happens when someone like that shows up; but even Western democracies face this problem, it’s just that the system has more built in speed bumps to overcome.

        • By groundzeros2015 2026-03-1617:46

          Rare outliers indicate the root problem is not the structure. All the interesting questions arise from the outliers

        • By stingraycharles 2026-03-1615:37

          I guess it’s a good thing that the ruling party has been in power for about 6 decades at this point.

    • By stingraycharles 2026-03-1615:341 reply

      I would not say that corruption is a positive trait, but rather that in societies with an authoritarian regime, corruption has a positive impact on getting you what you want. Which, of course, makes sense when there are no rules to follow, and it enables you to get things going.

      Where this fails is when the person who wants to get things going their way doesn’t have enough money. And that’s why it’s usually paired with inequality as well.

    • By wtmt 2026-03-1617:54

      I’ve known the difference in corruption at different levels between a country like India and a country like the US.

      India hasn’t had a very long authoritarian regime since its independence. Yet, corruption has existed at every touch point with the government and shows no signs of reduction. In India, getting a driver’s license or getting a passport (for which there’s a “police verification” step) or buying/selling real estate or filing a police complaint or getting some work done in a court of law or even getting the final rites of a deceased person (burial or cremation) done require bribes in most places.

      Also, paying a bribe means standing in line with the rest of the people who paid bribes. Things don’t move fast just because money exchanged hands.

      All this is to say that I don’t know what to make of your statement on authoritarian vs. democratic regimes (though you mentioned “western”). The main factor seems to be the culture and what others here have described as low trust vs high trust.

    • By jancsika 2026-03-1615:491 reply

      > Corruption gets things going and in a society that has no trust it is a positive trait.

      That's a red herring:

      > We first demonstrate that perceiving corruption predicts lower generalized trust almost universally across individuals.

      That couldn't be the case if autocracy meant a "society that has no trust." You're just speculating (or perhaps "anecdozing") while the article is attempting to measure these things.

      Edit: clarification

      • By btilly 2026-03-1617:01

        Modify "has no trust" to "has no trust in the official system", and the red herring points to one of the key dynamics behind why this happened.

        This key dynamic is what Russians call blat. My explanation of it is summarized from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn86C4ZwBSg.

        When we witness corruption, our trust is eroded the distance between how we think that things should work, and how they do work.

        In a democracy, there are official rules about how things are supposed to work. Those rules are how we expect things to work. Therefore, encountering corruption violates our expectations. And reduces our trust.

        In an autocracy, nobody expects that the official rules are how things actually work. You don't say that - doing so is dangerous - but everybody knows it.

        However behind the scenes, people learn to cope. And a key part of coping is a blat network. This is the classic, "I know someone who knows someone who can make this happen..." In other words, people develop personal networks of others that they trust.

        This trust is not eroded by encountering official corruption - that's expected.

        This trust is also not eroded by having to grease a few palms as part of getting something through the blat network. In fact it is improved. You expect to have to pay something. The whole point of a blat network is to get something otherwise unavailable, or at a better price than you otherwise could. And so these encounters with corruption increase your trust in the power and effectiveness of your personal network!

        Now go watch that video. It explains that what Jeffrey Epstein was doing was running a blat network. The availability of sex crimes was social proof that created trust among elites in what Jeffrey Epstein could do. His real money came from fundraising, brokering deals, and so on. For example Leon Black paid Epstein about $158 million for financial advice, such as structuring tax shelters. (Care to bet whether Epstein's connections made the IRS less likely to question those arrangements?) Bill Gates paid him some unknown amount for brokering deals with JP Morgan, meeting Saudi princes, etc.

        We, the general public, have mostly focused on the sex crimes. But we should also be concerned about the normalization of corruption as "business as usual" among elites. Because politics is like a fish - it rots from the head. Corruption at the top will not forever remain corruption at the top. If left unchecked, it will some day be corruption for all of us.

    • By m463 2026-03-1621:06

      This reminds me of that article where a person came from china to the US for a while, and wrote a book about it when he returned.

      one thing he said was (in my words) - the americans don't refer to a person in charge, they refer to the constitution.

      so your comment makes sense. In other societies they corrupt a person, in the US they corrupt the law.

    • By PieTime 2026-03-1617:271 reply

      My rich friend drove home drunk from a police ball even though his parents gave him an unlimited taxi card, the police stopped him and recognized his family, and then told him to get home safely.

      My other friend forgot his drivers license at home while being non-white and was arrested/charged and forced to explain why he didn’t bring his license to a judge.

      • By gpvos 2026-03-1618:191 reply

        That sounds like it's in the US? That's a known third-world country, in this respect at least.

        • By jkman 2026-03-1619:40

          If you don't think this would happen even in an 'idyllic' scandi country or wherever, you're mistaken.

    • By WalterBright 2026-03-1617:082 reply

      > Western corruption mostly concerns about the powerful and rich making friendly mutual agreements to bend the governing bodies and law to enable themselves become more powerful and richer.

      There's an awful lot of low level corruption in the form of NGOs who receive government funding with no accountability for what the funds are spent on.

      • By sysguest 2026-03-1617:122 reply

        well that's a different 'kind' of corruption

        corruption you have to GIVE to get stuff done

        vs corruption with loophole for RECEIVING money

        (I'd rather have the latter )

        • By WalterBright 2026-03-1617:241 reply

          The NGOs find ways to route the received money back to the politicians in the form of campaign donations, or having a politician's friend/relative being an executive at the NGO.

          The NGOs also subcontract to other NGOs, who take their cut, and eventually just a trickle winds up going to the purpose of giving money to the NGO.

          • By gpvos 2026-03-1618:221 reply

            The first part sounds like it's US-specific; campaign donations are less of a thing, and more strongly controlled, in Europe. The second could happen here too, though, and probably does.

            • By WalterBright 2026-03-1620:20

              I was indeed referring to the US. I don't know much about corruption in other countries.

        • By zdragnar 2026-03-1617:24

          The two aren't really separate, because the grifters who are on the receiving end also often end up being ones "donating" to the corrupt politicians who select their organizations to receive money.

      • By nephihaha 2026-03-1621:33

        Not just state NGOs. Remember the UN has plenty of NGOS such as the WHO, UNHCR, UNESCO and so on. No accountability in them either.

    • By gotwaz 2026-03-1617:55

      Thats a very nice story. Tell us where Morality comes from and why it hasnt gone extinct?

    • By morkalork 2026-03-1615:48

      This reminds me of a quote, purportedly from living in a soviet state: "he who does not steal, steals from his family".

    • By Aunche 2026-03-1618:561 reply

      > Western corruption mostly concerns about the powerful and rich making friendly mutual agreements to bend the governing bodies and law to enable themselves become more powerful and richer.

      Believe it or not, this is how lawmaking is supposed to work in a democracy. No one in a position of power is going to be completely selfless. The Civil Rights Acts were only able to pass because NAACP promised to endorse the Republicans and Southern Democrats who were the deciding votes. Voters have since lost interest in actual lawmaking, and have in fact become hostile to it. For example, in the first half of the Biden administration, there was a real possibility for a minimum wage increase, but voters saw any compromise to the $15 target as weakness even though they depended the vote of Joe Manchin, a Senator of a poor state that would suffer from economic turmoil with a California level minimum wage.

      To be clear, it's not fair that the rich and powerful are better equipped to influence lawmaking. However, that's mainly a consequence of the utility of money and power rather than the system being fundamentally broken. Dismissing things like lobbying as corruption may provide comfortable explanation of why you're losing, but only helps the rich and powerful by eroding interest in grassroots lobbying and normalizing actual corruption (e.g. Binance insisting that its $2 billion investment be settled in Trump's stablecoin shortly after CZ was pardoned).

      • By jimbokun 2026-03-1619:061 reply

        > Voters have since lost interest in actual lawmaking, and have in fact become hostile to it.

        This is a very succinct description of arguably the biggest problem of our democracy right now.

        A huge part of Trump’s success is convincing voters that everyone in politics is corrupt, to inoculate himself from criticism for the very overt acts of corruption he engages in.

        Many people seem to support him under the argument “they’re all corrupt, at least he’s not pretending to NOT be corrupt.”

        • By bigstrat2003 2026-03-1622:02

          > A huge part of Trump’s success is convincing voters that everyone in politics is corrupt...

          Trump didn't have to convince anyone of that. Voters already believed that, and have for some time. Trump merely had to speak to that widespread, preexisting belief.

    • By mentalgear 2026-03-1615:277 reply

      Reminds me of a report that Russians have no word for "bribe" - it's just an expected custom to give an official something 'extra' if you want anything to go forward even in the 'official' process.

      That's where the US is heading with the administration's great replacement of federal officials. A kleptocracy down to its lowest ranks. As the saying goes: First the Meritocracy goes, then the Freedom goes.

      • By dc96 2026-03-1615:52

        Why would one of the most popular languages in the world not have a word for "bribe"? Seems a bit condescending, implying Russians can't tell the difference between a "bribe" and customary behavior.

      • By brightball 2026-03-1615:34

        As a matter of perspective, the push to do so is to replace corrupt officials.

        Ultimately, if you believe that the officials currently in place were doing their jobs without bias then this looks like corruption. If you believe that the existing officials were compromised by their politics, then this looks like removing corruption.

        It's all perspective.

      • By timojaask 2026-03-1615:37

        > Reminds me of a report that Russians have no word for "bribe"

        This is just false. The word is “взятка”.

        If I were you I would not trust that report you’re referring to.

      • By mike_ivanov 2026-03-1617:191 reply

        Bullshit. We have more words for flavors of bribery than for types of snow.

      • By drysine 2026-03-1617:53

        >Reminds me of a report that Russians have no word for "bribe"

        You could've checked that faster than it took you to write your russophobic comment

      • By mystraline 2026-03-1615:351 reply

        The problem with meritocracy: who decides what "merit" is?

        The answer is: those who are already in power.

        • By mentalgear 2026-03-1616:591 reply

          Stop the relativism. In a democracy it's mostly all of us that have a say, in a dictatorship it's one guy and his fascist rank's whim.

          • By drysine 2026-03-1617:541 reply

            >it's mostly all of us that have a say

            Do you?

            • By wewtyflakes 2026-03-1622:54

              I mean, literally so in a democracy, no? You could argue 'we' (whoever that is) do not live in a democracy, but to say that a plurality of voices do not matter in a democracy seems wrong at face-value.

      • By hax0ron3 2026-03-1616:15

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  • By dzink 2026-03-1612:5310 reply

    You have to understand how gears shift from there. Trust is essential for business transactions and specifically for long term investments. You can’t make massive leaps in technology or medicine or many other areas without trust (a lot of money on a leap means if you don’t trust the other side or the government to keep conditions stable, you won’t see a return).

    Now if you are in a high trust society, you may have a lot of leveraged businesses or governments who have gotten loans or permission to do something based on past trust history. If the trust degrades systematically Investors may want returns faster, or interest rates go up, or partnerships don’t happen. That’s why low trust places don’t grow as fast - trust is the oil for growth engines and lack of it is sand for the same.

    Corruption also does a lot of small-profit-for-the-corrupt that leads to massive damage to the overall society via second and third order effects. (example: someone stealing copper cables that stop electricity to entire cities for a while).

    • By aleph_minus_one 2026-03-1614:543 reply

      > You can’t make massive leaps in technology or medicine or many other areas without trust

      The Soviet Union did manage to get massive leaps in some areas (in particular related to armament, but not only) such as

      - armament/weapons

      - space technology

      - mathematics

      - physics

      > (a lot of money on a leap means if you don’t trust the other side or the government to keep conditions stable, you won’t see a return).

      I guess you can immediately see how the Soviet Union "solved" this problem by the fact that you simply couldn't gain a lot of money from your innovation.

      • By DoughnutHole 2026-03-1615:053 reply

        The Soviet Union was able to innovate in the areas they chose to sink resources into but innovation was clearly not as widespread as evidenced by their decades of stagnation from the 60s onwards.

        They were still innovating in military technology in the 80s but analysis since their collapse analysis that they were at least 20% of GDP on defence, if not as high as 40%.

        The West managed to match and surpass Soviet military and scientific advances without sacrificing consumer goods or the economic wellbeing of their people.

        • By pastage 2026-03-1615:191 reply

          I am very sure the west sacrificed a lot of wellbeing because of the vast amount of money spent on war. Peace time was great.

        • By throwaway27448 2026-03-1615:411 reply

          Innovation is a term inherently tied to products sold at markets in product cycles that change over time. I think you're looking for the term invention.

          • By divan 2026-03-1616:27

            An invention is a new device, method, or way of doing something that did not exist before. Innovation is anything that significantly improves real world processes or products. I believe the literature uses term "innovation systems" regardless of type of economies.

        • By bequanna 2026-03-1615:292 reply

          I'm not trying to downplay their accomplishments, but how much of their scientific advances from the 40s-60s were due to capturing ex-Nazi tech (and scientists) or stealing from the US via their incredible intelligence efforts?

          • By inglor_cz 2026-03-1615:401 reply

            Depends on the sector.

            They definitely supported a lot of their rocket science from found documentation in Peenemünde et. al. (The personnel OTOH did its best not to fall into Soviet hands, and most of them ended in America, even though some didn't make it and were captured by the Soviets.)

            They had genuine excellency in mathematics and theoretical physics. First, those specializations didn't require much expensive or advanced equipment back then. Second, by their very nature, they were freer from ideological bullshit than other specializations, and that alone attracted many of the best and brightest there.

            (I can confirm that even in late-stage Communist Czechoslovakia, very hard sciences were considered an intellectual haven for non-conformists. The ideologues didn't understand them and did not consider them subversive per se.)

            On the other hand, biology was under full tyranny of Lysenko et. al. and "bourgeoise geneticists" would get imprisoned in concentration camps and even executed or starved to death. As a result, Soviet biology never recovered to a respectable science again, not even after Lysenko lost his power.

            Until today, you will find ex-Soviet textbooks of maths and physics all over the net, and people actually download them and use them to study. That does not apply in most other domains.

            • By aleph_minus_one 2026-03-1615:482 reply

              > On the other hand, biology was under full tyranny of Lysenko et. al. and "bourgeoise geneticists" would get imprisoned in concentration camps and even executed or starved to death. As a result, Soviet biology never recovered to a respectable science again, not even after Lysenko lost his power.

              This holds for "pure" biology. On the other hand, for medicine, in the East Block phage therapy was intensively developed (which in the West was barely done; instead in the Western countries there was an intense development of antibiotics).

              > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Phage_therapy&old...

              "In the Soviet Union, extensive research and development soon began in this field. [...] Isolated from Western advances in antibiotic production in the 1940s, Soviet scientists continued to develop already successful phage therapy to treat the wounds of soldiers in field hospitals. During World War II, the Soviet Union used bacteriophages to treat soldiers infected with various bacterial diseases, such as dysentery and gangrene. Soviet researchers continued to develop and to refine their treatments and to publish their research and results. However, due to the scientific barriers of the Cold War, this knowledge was not translated and did not proliferate across the world."

              • By mamonster 2026-03-1616:36

                I don't know why you are getting downvoted. As a simple example of practical biology in USSR, the Eastern Bloc basically invented modern doping programs.

              • By inglor_cz 2026-03-1616:37

                I'd rather call this research medical science, and with some exceptions (the Doctor's Plot during the last year of Stalin's paranoid rule), medical science tended to be less policed than biology, because even the top dogs of the Party knew that they could fall ill and require top treatment.

                Unlike with Lysenko, where shortages of food for the regular population never demonstrated themselves on the nomenklatura's own dinner tables, there was some feedback mechanism that could not be ignored.

                But I agree that the exact border between biology and medical science is murky.

          • By calvinmorrison 2026-03-1615:34

            and or lend lease?

      • By derektank 2026-03-1615:10

        Your examples do kind of reinforce the point being made.

        Mathematics and (theoretical) physics are capital-light research sectors. Weapons platforms and space technology were state managed (I.e. didn’t require private sector capital financing).

      • By jimbokun 2026-03-1619:13

        For a while before the US and other democracies left them in the dust.

        Mathematics and Physics maybe but not in a way that benefited the broader society overall.

    • By lokar 2026-03-1614:33

      For business it’s almost a simple as adding another factor to your model: the odds of expropriation by the leader and his cronies.

      It does not take a very high number to make most capital investments look really bad.

      And you compare that (investing in something new), to instead using the capital to bribe your way into the “system”.

    • By GZGavinZhao 2026-03-1613:02

      Did you meant to write "You *can't* make massive leaps in technology or medicine" instead of *can*?

    • By tlogan 2026-03-1622:21

      Excellent insight. Trust is key for capitalism. And for functioning democracy. When trust is lost, whether in the system or in your fellow citizens, everything begins to suffer.

      I think of society as an extended family. If you do not trust your spouse, many things in your home simply will not work.

    • By andai 2026-03-1614:185 reply

      I have an unusual perspective here.

      In my country the politicians are openly very corrupt. (Well, possibly yours too ;)

      Recently there has been a lot of improvement to the infrastructure. I realized that what has happened is, a lot of EU funds have been made available for development, and people are lining up to skim a little bit off the top.

      How you say, the incentives are aligned, yeah?

      I find myself in the odd situation where for each dollar that gets embezzled, a little bit of actual construction happens. That seems like a force you'd want to work with, rather than against.

      I mean yeah ideally we'd get rid of corruption, but haha good luck with that. At least now they're fixing the roads.

      • By speeder 2026-03-1614:303 reply

        I am from Brazil, and there is a famous politician there that has the non-official slogan of "Steals but Does". He is Paulo Maluf. "Everyone" knows he is corrupt. But people vote for him anyway, because he get things done, and he doesn't engage in certain kinds of corruption.

        That is the problem, how you get corruption to go the way you want?

        Lots of politicians see Paulo Maluf, and think they can imitate him, that they will be beloved by the public and steal money somehow and line their own pockets, except those are too self-serving or too incompetent to pull that off properly, so they steal in ways that go against the public.

        So for example in one city where I lived, one mayor stole the money from the kids lunch, resulting in hungry kids. Another mayor stole ludicrous amounts of money from garbage collection services, the result is that the city ended with debts in the billions while being a tiny city (it has 100k people, yet has debts bigger than cities with millions of people).

        Paulo Maluf meanwhile built lots of useful infrastructure that is still in use. (also hilariously he used to brag a lot using the phrase "Maluf that did it!", one time some comedic journalists went to a bridge opening, and asked him who did the bridge, he replied: "Maluf didn't do this bridge. But he did the two roads the bridge are connecting, so there is no bridge without Maluf!")

        • By GuB-42 2026-03-1615:34

          In a sense, he is not unlike a high ranked executive or business owners. These people usually demand high pay for their work because of how important their decisions are for the well-being of the company.

          Same idea here except that it happens under the table. Elected officials usually get a fixed pay, and often, it is not that high compared to the importance of their work. What Paulo Maluf is proposing is essentially "I am going to pay myself well (through corruption), but I will do what's best for the city".

        • By whstl 2026-03-1614:56

          The copy part sounds a lot like Cargo Culting.

          Copying the visible behavior but not doing the actual part that matters.

          Also incredibly common in corporate.

        • By mothballed 2026-03-1614:451 reply

          I would vote for an infrastructure kleptocrat any day over someone that will actually enforce the insane zoning and code law we have here. A big problem in USA is you can only get many building or infrastructure things done maybe if you have millions to "influence" politicians. The opportunity to have a politician rob me of 10,20% of the construction costs and meanwhile actually be able to build a condo or something on my own property would be amazing.

          • By johngossman 2026-03-1615:451 reply

            You might reconsider when your richer neighbor paid the politician to block you or build an asphalt plant next to your new condo. It's a slippery slope. Or how about when the fire department starts asking for a little something to keep your condo "safe"

            • By mothballed 2026-03-1616:001 reply

              Costing money to block me rather than $0 is an improvement.

              I have no fire department where I live, nor really any effective police. We don't have public infrastructure nor public roads or anything like that. People here do not use public services and our taxes aren't high enough to pay for them, they are almost $0. We do have zoning and codes, but that's sustainable only because it's funded by enforcement fines, otherwise you're on your own.

              • By andai 2026-03-1616:011 reply

                Where are you?

                • By mothballed 2026-03-1616:021 reply

                  Rural southwest USA

                  • By jjkaczor 2026-03-1617:33

                    You don't have public roads? in the USA? Even if rural? Ah, maybe those roads are maintained by the state? Even so - those are public, no?

      • By akdev1l 2026-03-1614:262 reply

        I am not sure the incentives are aligned.

        those people fixing the roads are incentivized to do the work cheaply so they can skim more “off the top”

        And you still need to fight corruption to some level or it will come to a point where there’s more skimming than work being done

        • By order-matters 2026-03-1617:151 reply

          >those people fixing the roads are incentivized to do the work cheaply

          this incentive exists with or without corruption

          • By akdev1l 2026-03-1619:43

            cheaply as in not meeting standards

            without corruption you could do a shitty job once and then you won’t get another contract because you did a shit job

            with corruption the quality of the work won’t matter so in the extreme case you can deliver nothing at all and you’ll still keep getting contracts - In my country we call this being “plugged in”

        • By mentalgear 2026-03-1615:41

          Exactly, sounds inherently unsafe and the work is only done superficially to keep more EU funds coming (like in Hungary).

      • By terminalshort 2026-03-1614:46

        At some point the process to prevent corruption costs more than the actual corruption. The process to award the contract for the Obamacare website wasn't corrupt, but it cost $700 million and the app didn't even work. In a corrupt system that contract would have gone to a company owned by some official's cousin, and he would have bid $100 million knowing he could pocket 50, but it would have got done because he knows the last thing he needs is an investigation. That's kind of how it works in China.

      • By consp 2026-03-1614:24

        Depends on how it happens and what your goal is, it starts with a little bit off the top, and ends with it being the prime goal. Somewhere on that gliding scale people get hurt because a bridge collapses because the money went into someone's pockets instead of construction.

    • By zelphirkalt 2026-03-1614:281 reply

      > You have to understand how gears shift from there. Trust is essential for business transactions and specifically for long term investments. You can’t make massive leaps in technology or medicine or many other areas without trust (a lot of money on a leap means if you don’t trust the other side or the government to keep conditions stable, you won’t see a return).

      I am not quite sure, how exactly you mean "trust". For example there are countries, that I would consider quite corrupt, but that are able to leap ahead. I would say there can be a lot of trust, even in a corrupt system, if the ones making the leap, are part of the corrupt system, and trust that system to continue to "work". But you could say: "Well, then there is trust!"

      Ultimately, I think where there is more trust, there is more to destroy, so any betrayal of this trust, causes more damage, than in a low trust environment, where there was not much trust to begin with.

    • By terminalshort 2026-03-1614:401 reply

      Your example isn't corruption. That's just crime. But it does do massive damage.

      • By vlovich123 2026-03-1614:522 reply

        I’m confused. Corruption isn’t crime? I know white collar crime was controversial 100 years ago, but are we back to arguing whether corruption is crime or not?

        • By mb7733 2026-03-1614:571 reply

          Corruption is crime but not all crime is corruption. Stealing copper isn't corruption.

          • By terminalshort 2026-03-1616:10

            Not all corruption is crime either as any ex politician earning mid 6 figures for a speech could tell you.

        • By aleph_minus_one 2026-03-1614:56

          > Corruption isn’t crime?

          Societies have very different opinions which kinds of corruption are perfectly fine, and which kinds are criminal.

    • By nyeah 2026-03-1614:221 reply

      Yeah, exactly. One example of a low-trust society was the US in the decade after 1929.

      • By trollbridge 2026-03-1614:54

        One of the "innovations" in the bank runs of 1929 was that a farmer or business owner would lose all their savings in the bank, because of the bank run.

        However, the loans they owed to that bank were still good, and would get bought by an "investor" for pennies on the dollar. They no longer had their bank account to make their normal loan payments from, yet the full repayments were still due, despite the original bank that made the loan going under and closing its doors.

        So many farmers ended up having to sell or foreclose on their farms and then attempt to rent them back from the new owners.

    • By danny_codes 2026-03-1615:051 reply

      > You can’t make massive leaps in technology or medicine or many other areas without trust.

      Incorrect. You can’t do it without cooperation. You can cooperate without trust.

      • By kelseyfrog 2026-03-1615:12

        Is this some sort of mathematical model that doesn't play out in reality?

    • By cucumber3732842 2026-03-1613:007 reply

      Are we living in the same reality?

      Look at how business works in the rich west works. Everything is formalized with contracts, risk is portioned out and offloaded to every party under the sun. You bring in people with licenses and accreditation, 3rd party consultants, etc, etc. All of this work and expense is incurred so that if things go wrong then the parties all have precisely defined ways in which they can (expensively) drag the matter through a courtroom and whatever comes of that will be enforced with state violence.

      Contrast with (certain parts of) the far east and eastern europe. The west is the low trust environment.

      • By tw04 2026-03-1613:135 reply

        Your response just proves his point. All of that paperwork, all of those contracts- that assumes you can trust the government to fairly enforce the law.

        In a society where corruption rules, you have no reason to spend time and money on any of that because you know you’re one bribe away from it all being kindling for your next bonfire.

        So yes, in areas with high corruption they don’t bother. They either just set aside some cash to pay off whatever official they need to if things go sideways, or they hire the local judge’s son to an empty position of power so that they can win anything that goes to “court”. That’s not a sign of high trust, that’s an acknowledgment there’s no point in bothering.

        • By ecshafer 2026-03-1613:194 reply

          Lawyers in the west are a high status career, because we trust the rule of law. In China, its considered a joke career. What is the point of being a lawyer, when relative position, influence and power within the CCP is the lone factor in winning a case? Big companies all end up with shadow positions that are there just to pay money out to CCP honchos and their kids. Board positions and executive positions go to the CCP.

          • By AlecSchueler 2026-03-1614:162 reply

            > In China, its considered a joke career.

            Is there a source for this or is more of a vibes thing?

            • By ecshafer 2026-03-1618:17

              source is my wife who spent the first 25 years of her life in China. So I guess vibes? But she was/is pretty academically rigorous, so I believe her.

              So I would caveat it as if you are a really good strong student in China, it would seem that you are much more likely to go into Engineering, Business, or Join the CCP. Its not an A student type of career, more of a B or C student.

            • By jjcc 2026-03-1619:29

              It's widely believed in Western society due to the language barrier to access Chinese social media.

              But it's not true , or only half true 30 years ago. I personally know 3 or 4 of my alumina abandoned their expertise of Optical Engineering to pursue Lawyer career 20 years ago and made big money.

              Another example is one of celebrity law professor (not lawyer though) who recently got involved in a controversy because of Epstein file. He shut down his “weibo" (a Chinese Twitter ) account. He also made tons of money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_Xiang

              China moves very fast compare to the western society. Something true today might not be true 3 years later. Let alone half-truth 30 years ago.

          • By ModernMech 2026-03-1614:16

            And that's exactly what's happening here too, starting with the high-powered law firms who settled with Trump when he sued them instead of fighting. Overnight they ruined their reputation, because who is going to trust them when they folded so easily to government pressure? Moreover, as Trump's will becomes law, literally everything they went to school for becomes moot. All their experience about intellectual property or contract law or whatever is worthless when the law is actually whatever the guy in charge wants on any given day.

          • By Al-Khwarizmi 2026-03-1613:363 reply

            That's nonsense. No matter how corrupt the CCP is, it cannot have a stake in all court cases in China. Maybe politically sensitive trials are a farce (arguably that's the case in much of the West too, but that's a different story) but that doesn't make the profession as a whole a joke.

            • By jordanb 2026-03-1614:31

              The central government in Bejing doesn't care even a little bit about some property dispute in Henan but there's a local apparatchik who cares or who could be made to care with the right consideration.

            • By ecshafer 2026-03-1618:19

              This is from my Chinese wife, basically by "joke" I mean its not the top students who are going into it. You don't become rich becoming a lawyer. The top students in Schools join government, become Engineers, do Business, etc.

            • By PaulHoule 2026-03-1613:43

              A lot of what I've seen is that boring small civil and criminal cases (shoplifting) aren't that different in China than they are here.

        • By dzink 2026-03-1613:20

          In places where you can’t trust courts, you see organized crime fill the gap - goons start enforcing rules for the bad guys and there are no individual good guys big enough to stop an army of well paid goons. With tech enabling every kind of surveillance in the US, that could be a very dangerous combination (bad guys get privacy, while normal people can be ripped out of their homes).

        • By graemep 2026-03-1614:17

          In societies where the government is corrupt, or even where the courts are slow and expensive, people then trust in the individuals becomes more important.

          Being able to rely on being able to enforce contracts means you need less trust in people you do business with.

      • By angiolillo 2026-03-1613:16

        The framing of "low trust" vs "high trust" is useful but another important distinction when conducting business in different jurisdictions is whether *institutions* or *counterparties* are more trustworthy.

        If institutions such as courts are trustworthy (in that they will impartially adjudicate contracts and help you enforce their terms) then you are able to work with a wider spectrum of counterparties who you do not yet trust. You just have to document and hedge against the risk via contracts and insurance, as you point out.

        If institutions such as courts are absent, corrupt, or otherwise captured then you must ensure that you only interact with counterparties that you can trust or have direct leverage over. Perhaps ones with which you share personal or reputational connections.

      • By eru 2026-03-1613:152 reply

        Western Europe is a low trust environment compared to the beacons in (cultural) East Asia, like Singapore. I can leave my kid with an iPad in her hand here without fear of it being nicked, like in London.

        But business wise, western Europe is still relatively high trust. I suggest you read more about this.

        • By miroljub 2026-03-1614:462 reply

          > Western Europe is a low trust environment compared to the beacons in (cultural) East Asia, like Singapore. I can leave my kid with an iPad in her hand here without fear of it being nicked, like in London.

          Funny that you take London as an example of Western Europe's low-trust environment, entirely ignoring the fact that the population of London can hardly be called Western European anymore. According to [1] in 2021 only 36,8% of the London population was White British, trend decreasing.

          > But business wise, western Europe is still relatively high trust.

          Maybe because the population actually working and doing business is still Western European? But that won't last long if current trends and policies continue.

          [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London

          • By eru 2026-03-1615:001 reply

            > [...] the population of London can hardly be called Western European anymore. According to [1] in 2021 only 36,8% of the London population was White British, trend decreasing.

            If you want to make that argument, you'd at least need to look at the proportion of the population that's Western European, not just British.

            • By miroljub 2026-03-1615:161 reply

              > If you want to make that argument, you'd at least need to look at the proportion of the population that's Western European, not just British.

              The page I linked shows 53,8% white in 2021. Even if you count the majority of whites as West Europeans (and not East Europeans), they were under 50% in 2021, probably even less today.

              If you have more accurate and up to date data, please share.

              But that misses the point. I don't say London is not high-trust because of the non-Western population. I say London is not a western city anymore because of its population.

              • By eru 2026-03-1615:491 reply

                London is a western city, because of its location and culture.

                London has been a city of traders and other foreigners since at least the days of the Romans.

                • By miroljub 2026-03-1616:29

                  > London is a western city, because of its location and culture.

                  The dominant culture of the local population is not "Western" anymore.

                  > London has been a city of traders and other foreigners since at least the days of the Romans.

                  Is it?

                  Let's look at the official data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_London

                  Percentage of white population in London over the years:

                  - 1961 - 97,7%

                  - 1966 - 95,5%

                  - 1971 - 92,6%

                  - 1981 - 86,6%

                  - 1991 - 79,8%

                  - 2001 - 71,15%

                  - 2011 - 59,79%

                  - 2021 - 53,8%

                  It's clear that, up until very recently, London was a city of traders and other foreigners living there among the highly homogenous local population.

          • By throw-away-9876 2026-03-1615:07

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      • By hedora 2026-03-1613:51

        As the US transitions into a high corruption / low trust environment, business investment disappears.

        Trump tried to solicit bribes from anthropic, retaliated by violating the DoW contracts when they didn’t pay, and then somehow forced Dario to publicly apologize for bringing the matter to light. Do you really think this is how the US will win at AI?

        Look at the car industry, where the corruption and coercion started earlier. For some reason, Trump used ICE to illegally detain a bunch of Kia engineers. They announced they’re not going to add more trimlines to their EV lines in the US.

        Honda announced they’re canceling planes to build three new model lines in Ohio.

        The macro statistics are dire. Pre-Biden, US factory investment was $80B per year. Trump wiped $30B off that number in 2025. Biden got it up to $240B, so Trump “only” wiped out 10-15%, but, because he was starting from a high number, the damage is equivalent to 35% of all factory investment that existed when he last left office!

        The rate at which industrial production is fleeing the US is increasing. This year, the loss will probably be greater than the entire 2018 US factory investment base.

        There are similar trends happening in tech and academia. There’s not much left once that happens. (Insurance, banking and marketing, mostly.)

      • By inetknght 2026-03-1615:02

        > Look at how business works in the rich west works. Everything is formalized with contracts, risk is portioned out and offloaded to every party under the sun.

        Sounds like formalized corruption to me.

  • By retep_kram 2026-03-1612:264 reply

    It looks like a tautology to me. Like: "Corruption erodes social trust in places where social trust exist and is key for the political system."

    • By lm28469 2026-03-1612:565 reply

      I think culture and education play much bigger roles than anything else, all the sources I find show Germany and France having similar level of corruption (on top of being geographically and economically close) but completely different level of "social trust".

      China's pretty corrupt politically but the social trust is quite high, the highest outside of northern europe as far as I can tell

      https://ourworldindata.org/corruption

      https://ourworldindata.org/trust

      • By PaulHoule 2026-03-1613:143 reply

        The corruption numbers break down into: (1) They didn't ask the question in China, (2) They asked somebody if they paid a bribe or if taking a bribe is every justifiable, and (3) "Expert estimates of the extent to which the executive, legislative, judiciary, and bureaucracy engage in bribery and theft, and the making and implementation of laws are susceptible to corruption"

        For (2) China doesn't look too different from the U.S., for (3) experts think it has gotten much worse since the time of Mao but I'd say China is on the honest side of the "global South".

        Note that lay perceptions of corruption are widespread in the US

        https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/51398-most-americans-see-c...

        https://news.gallup.com/poll/185759/widespread-government-co...

        https://www.occrp.org/en/news/survey-reveals-corruption-as-t...

        though unlike India I think very few Americans have paid a bribe to a cop. See also

        https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2026/03/05/in-25-countr...

        • By bnjms 2026-03-1614:553 reply

          > though unlike India I think very few Americans have paid a bribe to a cop.

          No one, left or right, thinks there is street level corruption. Not the kind accessible to someone in a traffic stop. I have experienced it in Mexico and think that kind of corruption would still be worse because I cannot imagine how to recover from it. I have hope that a few high profile arrests of c level fall his may turn the tide. If not then there are extrajudicial methods open to American culture.

          • By PaulHoule 2026-03-1616:07

            There is this difference.

            I know from my own personal experience that I haven't paid a bribe to a cop or to an alderman to get a zoning variance. There are some places where this kind of thing is routine. (e.g. I know there is a crooked cop somewhere but I also believe that if I tried to pay a bribe to a cop it wouldn't go well)

            Thus I trust people's reports of street level corruption.

            If it comes to perceptions of "corruption in high places" that is mediated by the media. It may well be that it is very corrupt and you never hear about it, or that it squeaky clean but you hear allegations 10 times a day. Or a Democrat might think everything is corrupt when Republicans are in power and then when Democrats are in power, Republicans take up the slack.

            So I don't trust people's reports of corruption in high places.

            Now I know a lot of people who are involved in road construction and maintenance in upstate NY who range from "drives a truck" to "manages $10M+ projects" and the belief that there is corruption in highway projects is widespread based on second- and third- hand accounts.

          • By DrScientist 2026-03-1615:51

            > though unlike India I think very few Americans have paid a bribe to a cop.

            Totally unthinkable in the UK ( at least outside organised crime ).

          • By jimbokun 2026-03-1619:28

            Do you really think “extrajudicial” methods will improve social trust in the US?

        • By jimbokun 2026-03-1619:27

          Wow Americans really dislike Americans! (Pew link)

        • By AnimalMuppet 2026-03-1614:542 reply

          How do you see Xi's anticorruption campaign? Is it just a club to beat political opponents with, or is there a real problem and he's trying to fix it?

          • By jimbokun 2026-03-1619:30

            Knowing nothing my guess would be he wants all the benefits of corruption accruing only to himself.

          • By PaulHoule 2026-03-1615:45

            Both

      • By bdauvergne 2026-03-1613:561 reply

        It's the institutional part which is lacking in France. Look at the budget of the ministry of justice in France per capita and in Germany. Germany spend twice as much and has twice as much judges per capita than France (and everything which goes with it like clerks).

        My company took the biggest telecom company in France to court for a violation of our license on a soft, license was GPLv2, we won, but it took 12 years.

        Justice is a very poor and slow institution in France. For the same countries the budget of police forces per capita are nearly the same for example.

        • By joe_mamba 2026-03-1616:13

          Also Germany spends more than France on defence while having a lot less to show for, with France having nuclear weapons, nuclear subs, aircraft carriers and a much more capable military overall with less money. Germany is the poster child of government waste. If I were a taxpayer there I'd want my money back and/or bureaucrats going to jail.

      • By rob74 2026-03-1613:103 reply

        > China's pretty corrupt politically but the social trust is quite high, the highest outside of northern europe as far as I can tell

        There are a few reasons for that that I can imagine:

        - China is one of very few autocracies that has managed to significantly improve the standard of living of most of its population.

        - The public trials and (sometimes) executions of allegedly corrupt individuals might help improve the perception of corruption.

        - The same harsh penalties mentioned above might influence people to declare a higher level of social trust than they actually have, even if the poll is supposedly "confidential" and "only for scientific purposes".

        • By ses1984 2026-03-1613:131 reply

          >The same harsh penalties mentioned above might influence people to declare a higher level of social trust than they actually have.

          This 100%.

          Political imprisonment and reeducation camps are antithetical to any definition of a high trust society that I would subscribe to.

        • By bluGill 2026-03-1614:131 reply

          China was getting better for a long time. XI is changing that. Change is slow though and he is not rushing corruption though it seems to be increasing. He has purged some corrupt people as well making things slightly better in the short term - but he values loyalty over competence and so his short term changes are for less corruption but long term increase it.

          That is China is a complex country and books (which are not written and many cannot be for decades yet) are needed to understand this, not a short comment box. [This applies to every other country anyone here mentions]

        • By boringg 2026-03-1613:281 reply

          Social trust is high because there are pretty heavy handed control measures over the population with havy costs. Thats more of a fear based society than trust. Government can giveth and government can taketh.

          • By lo_zamoyski 2026-03-1614:28

            1. Fear of a capricious state can cause survival-motivated compliance which can appear as "trust" in coarse measurements. Meaning, you simply do fewer of those things that would provide opportunities for distrust in contexts where that could happen.

            2. In a relatively severe, but consistent regime, the high penalties for violating trust in everyday cases (crime) act as a deterrent.

            3. Fear may cause people to be selective and mindful about their social associations based on stronger proofs of trustworthiness. You might tell a Hitler joke to someone you have used more energy/caution to "vet", but avoid being too casual in environments of undetermined trustworthiness.

      • By ses1984 2026-03-1613:11

        We are probably meant to assume ceteris paribus and only vary the dimension of corruption.

        I think you’re right that culture plays a key role. For example if small bribes are customary, that doesn’t erode trust, that’s just the way things are.

    • By PunchyHamster 2026-03-1613:08

      Kinda; authoritarism runs on bribes and nepotism, of course corruption would have lesser effect here, it's expected

    • By scythmic_waves 2026-03-1613:151 reply

      It's not a tautology because it's not guaranteed. There are plenty of plausible sounding claims that fail to be true. That's why science is needed: to provide _empirical_ evidence for/against a claim.

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