Study: Electroshock therapy more successful for depression than ketamine

2022-10-2320:42152169today.uconn.edu

Therapeutic technique, portrayed unfavorably in films and TV shows, shows consistently better results with treatment-resistant depression

Therapeutic technique, portrayed unfavorably in films and TV shows, shows consistently better results with treatment-resistant depression

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Electroconvulsive therapy, often viewed with skepticism by members of the public, outperforms the drug ketamine in treating depression, according to a new report (Adobe Stock).

An analysis of six studies found that electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is better at quickly relieving major depression than ketamine, a team of researchers report in JAMA Psychiatry on October 19.

Depression is a common illness affecting about 5% of adults worldwide, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). Feeling sad, irritable, losing pleasure in activities that used to be enjoyable, and sometimes experiencing unexplained pain or fatigue for weeks at a time are all symptoms of depression. Most people diagnosed with depression are offered an oral antidepressant (in combination with psychotherapy) as a first-line treatment option. But if oral antidepressants don’t help, or if the person is at imminent risk of hurting themselves, there are other, more rapid treatment options: ECT, and more recently ketamine or esketamine.

Esketamine, a nasal spray approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat depression, is more commonly used in the US than ketamine. But there are no studies comparing esketamine’s effectiveness with ECT. There are studies done with ketamine, a sister drug to esketamine. Ketamine is commonly used in medicine as an injected anesthetic but has recently been tested as a fast-acting intervention to help people with major depression.

UConn School of Medicine Psychiatric Epidemiologist T. Greg Rhee and colleagues from Harvard University, Kyungnam University in Korea, McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts and Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, University of Toronto, VA New England Mental Illness in West Haven, and Yale University, analyzed six clinical trial studies from around the world comparing ketamine with ECT for major depression. The studies looked at 340 patients in total, and were conducted in hospitals in Sweden, Germany, Iran and India.

All five of the studies independently found that ECT was more effective than ketamine at relieving severe depression symptoms.

“ECT is consistently more successful than ketamine” at helping patients with serious depression, says Rhee. “We found no differences by age, sex, or geographic location. So we could say anyone who is ECT eligible will benefit.”

Although ketamine did generally help patients, ECT had better results overall. Ketamine could be a viable treatment for people who cannot undergo ECT. The side effect profiles of the two treatments differed, with ECT more likely to cause headaches, muscle pain and memory loss, while ketamine was more likely to cause dissociative symptoms, vertigo and double vision.

There are two additional studies comparing ECT and ketamine ongoing, and Rhee hopes to add their data to the analysis when they are available.

“Every single study directly reports ECT works better than ketamine. But people are still skeptical of ECT, perhaps because of stigma,” Rhee says, or negative depictions in films such as “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” and shows such as “Stranger Things.” “We need to improve public awareness of ECT for treatment-resistant depression.”


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  • By engined 2022-10-241:003 reply

    After dealing with depression myself, I dove deeply into this world, and actually ended up founding a ketamine and esketamine treatment startup in the Boston area (lumin.health). We've seen pretty amazing results with patients who have otherwise failed antidepressants and/or ECT and TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation). The reality is that ketamine/esketamine are much more accessible from a patient perspective, and while considered "new" by many in the medical community, offer faster results and carry less stigma for patients than ECT in particular. If ketamine/esketamine don't work, patients typically know within 2-3 sessions, and can walk away with no long term side effects. With ECT, patients generally have to complete a whole course before they see effect, and then are stuck with some of the potential mid/long-term side effects.

    The space is also at the precipice of a whole new class of psychedelics coming online - MDMA, psilocybin, and more are all 1-5 years out (working through FDA drug trials), and hold promise of both faster results (versus 6-8 months of trialing traditional antidepressants) and fewer downside risks (versus weight gain, sex drive, etc. issues with antidepressants and memory loss, headaches, etc. with ECT and TMS).

    Bottom line, if you're suffering and considering those treatments, I highly recommend finding a local center and at least learning more about options available to you.

    Edit: If anyone wants to talk, advice, etc., email is in my profile.

    • By boredtofears 2022-10-245:491 reply

      One rumination I have had about the medical application of psychedelics is to wonder how lasting the effects of all these initial studies will be over the long term.

      The effects of psychedelics are profound to a person who hasn't experienced them, which is the vast majority of people today. I think, when a person goes through a powerful experience they've never had, it makes them a lot more suggestive, which in turn makes therapies more effective. Will this still be the case if psychedelics usage is normalized? When a person knows what to expect out of the drug will they still remain as suggestible to therapy?

      My own experience with psychedelics tells me no: once you become familiar with the effects the "high" loses some of it's properties that make it a useful tool for introspection.

      I haven't done psychedelics in a purely therapeutic setting so there may be something to my observation that I'm missing completely.

      • By sneak 2022-10-246:051 reply

        Ketamine’s effects on depression are not caused by the hallucinations or psychedelic effects.

        I can’t speak to other hallucinogens but I would imagine the situation is the same there. The day after an acid trip isn’t a new neurochemical environment because of the powerful hallucinations the day before, it is something else.

        > My own experience with psychedelics tells me no: once you become familiar with the effects the "high" loses some of it's properties that make it a useful tool for introspection.

        My own experiences run directly counter to this assertion.

        • By boredtofears 2022-10-247:582 reply

          > The day after an acid trip isn’t a new neurochemical environment because of the powerful hallucinations the day before, it is something else

          What is a "new neurochemical environment" exactly? I've had many acid comedowns, and they have all been affected by how the high was - emotionally, mentally, and physically. What do you mean by "its something else"?

          • By tekknik 2022-10-2412:55

            I’m far from an expert here, but as I understand it there is no repeated, or daily dose of the psilocybin. Instead it physically changes your brain. Here’s one study:

            https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/22/2/835/htm

          • By novok 2022-10-2418:06

            IMO I think it is still a new neurochemical environment, much like how the body is different after intense exercise for the next few days, as it recovers. It gets sore, weaker, etc. There is definitely a training & depletion effect for the brain.

    • By bergenty 2022-10-250:431 reply

      What about developing a system that people can use to administer ECT to themselves. Obviously it will have to be sold as something else.

      • By waste_monk 2022-10-252:55

        As I understand ECT is basically just having a seizure while under some heavy-duty muscle relaxants and/or general anaesthetic (?), so you don't flail around and hurt yourself.

        Seems way too dangerous for home use.

    • By tomcam 2022-10-248:284 reply

      Thank you. Any help for insomnia or overeating?

      • By engined 2022-10-2413:23

        (This is not medical advice and I am not a doctor) I don't think ketamine is directly indicated overeating, and I know esketamine isn't for insomnia or overeating. That said, There do seem to be a handful of papers studying the use of ketamine in things that affect sleep, like circadian rhythm [0][1]. In general, ketamine causes sedation in about 70% of those treated with it. Though that is short acting (hours) it may help set an individual for a good sleep, and to the extent that insomnia or overeating are caused by or co-occurrent with depression, ketamine could likely help.

        [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5866161/ [1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/brb3.1423

      • By IndySun 2022-10-2411:18

        Overeating might be helped by knowing your own body's blood sugar response to carbs. Take a browse through Tim Spectors ZOE. Hope you get some progress.

      • By joelrunyon 2022-10-2411:032 reply

        If you're struggling with sleep and "turning the lights off" around bed time - we made a custom natural sleep product for high performers focused on quality, restful sleep - https://impossible.co/products/sleep

        Shoot me a DM if you want to try it out - happy to send one your way.

        • By victor106 2022-10-2411:472 reply

          > Why Melatonin is Bad For You (coming soon).

          I am curious to read why this is bad. My doc thinks this is perfectly fine

          • By KMnO4 2022-10-2413:24

            Going out on a limb here, but I’m assuming it’s meant to be “why [exogenous] melatonin is bad for you”.

            Melatonin is naturally secreted by the pineal gland, which like other hormones gets downregulated when taken exogenously over long periods of time.

            There’s also studies showing a downregulation in dopamine and seratonin with long term use of melatonin.

        • By danielfoster 2022-10-253:081 reply

          This is just magnesium and l-theanine

      • By sshine 2022-10-249:021 reply

        Insomnia: Have you heard Andrew Huberman’s podcast episode on sleep?

        https://hubermanlab.com/sleep-toolkit-tools-for-optimizing-s...

        There are so many small things you can do, and they get summarised here. Drugs are just one dimension.

        • By tomcam 2022-10-249:09

          Thanks . Love Huberman. Done almost everything to no avail! One thing I haven’t done is sauna and I just got one.

  • By knaik94 2022-10-240:30

    "Relapse rates after ECT are similar to those in resistant depression treated with antidepressants (37% after six months) and are a function of the illness, reinforcing need to continue with antidepressants, ECT, or both after a successful acute course of ECT.37 Emerging evidence suggests maintenance ECT to prevent relapse.38"

    https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.k5233

    This article is arguing ECT as acute treatment for resistant depression. In most, if not all, cases a patient would become eligible for ketamine treatment at the same time if not sooner than ECT. Memory loss directly due to ECT is the reason most people are strongly against using it. Treatment options are based on minimizing risks, not guaranteeing success. Unless ketamine is contraindicated, it will always be a safer treatment than ECT.

  • By MangezBien 2022-10-2323:061 reply

    I had ECT and it was absolutely life changing. Only thing that ever worked for me. Mild headaches with each treatment and my memories of the time of my treatment is fuzzy. But I think we probably should be investigating why it works so well.

    • By MangezBien 2022-10-2418:581 reply

      After reading the comments in this thread it is clear that people are not current with how ECT is administered in the modern era.

      1. You are under general anesthesia 2. The dosage of electricity is very low when compared to how it was done before. 3. The electrical currents are far more focused

      Stuff like personality changes or loss of creativity is no longer a risk factor. Risks tend to be those associated with general anesthesia and mild memory loss around the treatment.

      I had over 2 rounds of 15 treatments over a 6 month period. I haven't had a serious relapse in the 5 years since. I had tried every SSRI and SNRI my insurance would cover. I had been in therapy for over a decade. I was suicidal. ECT saved my life.

      • By heavyset_go 2022-10-250:26

        Thanks for the clarification.

        How does the memory loss manifest? Are you aware that you lost time, like can you feel that you did experience time pass for X amount of days, but you just don't remember what took place? Or is the feeling that the time never passed at all, like it was Monday and you woke up on Friday, but it felt like it was actually Tuesday morning, and you have no intuitive feeling that a week passed at all?

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