How fast the days are getting longer (2023)

2025-03-1916:13613203joe-antognini.github.io

Here in the northern hemisphere the vernal equinox just passed and the days are quickly getting longer. One of my colleagues lives in Stavanger, Norway. Our team’s semi-weekly standup is at 6:30pm his…

Here in the northern hemisphere the vernal equinox just passed and the days are quickly getting longer. One of my colleagues lives in Stavanger, Norway. Our team’s semi-weekly standup is at 6:30pm his time, so I’ve been accustomed to seeing the window in his background be pitch black for the past six months. But from one meeting to the next, his window went from pitch black to bright. This led me to think about a basic astronomy question I had never given much thought to before — just how fast do the days get longer? When Spring comes and the days are getting longer, how many extra minutes of sunlight do we get from one day to the next? So I built a little interactive graph that shows how the length of the day changes as a function of latitude, along with how it changes from one day to the next:

The vertical dashed lines represent the various solstices and equinoxes. As expected, for northern latitudes the longest day is on the summer solstice and the shortest on the winter solstice. On the equinoxes the day is exactly 12 hours no matter what latitude you are at, and this is also when the length of the day is changing the fastest — unless you are very close to the Arctic circle (latitude 66.55°).

One of the more interesting features I hadn’t appreciated before is that when you get close to the Arctic circle, the length of the days is essentially a zigzag, straight up from the winter solstice all the way to the summer solstice and back down again.

The math behind it

So what calculations are going into producing these curves?

How long is the Sun up for?

The first thing we need to know is how long the Sun is up for on a particular day of the year. Spherical astronomy has a useful quantity that lets us determine this, called the hour angle. The hour angle of an object is the angle it makes with the meridian (the line across the sky going from north to south). Converting the hour angle into a unit of time (like hours) tells us how long it will be before the object crosses the meridian (“transits” in the astronomical parlance). Since we want the time from rising to setting, the length of daylight will be twice the amount of time it takes between rising and transit:

\[t_{\textrm{daylight}} = 2H \left( \frac{24 \, \textrm{hr}}{360^{\circ}} \right) = \frac{2H}{15^{\circ}} \, \textrm{hr}.\]

If we can figure out what the Sun’s hour angle is when it rises, we’ll have the amount of daylight in a day. To get this, we need to know two things: the observer’s latitude, which we’ll call \(\lambda\); and the declination of the Sun, \(\delta\), which is the angle of the Sun above the celestial equator.

A diagram (from Prof. Fiona Vincent) helps to illustrate the setup:

The position of the object we’re interested in is labeled with \(X\) in this diagram, and it shows the general case where the object is at some arbitrary altitude \(a\) above the horizon. (Note that the latitude is labeled \(\phi\) in this diagram.)

We know the lengths of all three sides of the triangle and want to find the angle \(H\). To do this we can turn to the spherical law of cosines:

\[\cos (90^{\circ} - a) = \cos (90^{\circ} - \lambda) \cos (90^{\circ} - \delta) + \sin(90^{\circ} - \lambda) \sin (90^{\circ} - \delta) \cos H.\]

Since we want to know the hour angle of the Sun when it’s rising, we can set the altitude, \(a\), to 0. Solving for \(H\), this becomes

\[H = \arccos (-\tan \lambda \tan \delta).\]

This is the so-called “sunrise equation.”

In order to make use of this equation we now need to find the declination of the Sun. The Sun just moves along a great circle on the sky called the “ecliptic,” and to first order this motion is approximately constant. So we can model the Sun’s declination over the course of the year with a simple sinusoid:

\[\delta \simeq \epsilon \sin \left( \frac{T}{365 \, \textrm{d}} \right),\]

where \(\epsilon\) is the tilt of the Earth’s rotation axis (the “obliquity of the ecliptic” in the astronomical jargon), about \(23.45^{\circ}\), and \(T\) is just the number of days since the vernal equinox.

Putting this all together, if you have a latitude and day of the year you can calculate the length of daylight by using this formula:

\[t_{\textrm{daylight}} \approx \frac{2}{15^{\circ}} \arccos \left(-\tan \lambda \tan \left(23.45^{\circ} \times \sin \frac{2 \pi T}{365 \, \textrm{d}} \right) \right) \, \textrm{hr}.\]

Daylight across the globe

There are a few interesting cases to consider in this equation. First, let’s suppose we are on the equator. In that case, our latitude is zero, and the equation just reduces to \(t_{\textrm{daylight}} = 2/15^{\circ} \arccos (0) \, \textrm{hr} = 12 \, \textrm{hr}\). On the equator, every day of the year is exactly 12 hours long.

Another case to consider is what happens on the vernal equinox. Now we set \(T\) to zero and once again the argument to the arccosine disappears, and we get 12 hours. (And because \(\cos (x + \pi) = \cos x\), this also happens on the autumnal equinox.) On an equinox, the day is exactly 12 hours long, independent of latitude.

The last thing to consider is that the arccosine function is only defined if the argument is between \(-1\) and \(1\). But the argument to the function is the product of two tangents, and the tangent function is unbounded. Let’s see what happens on the summer solstice. Here the \(\sin T\) term is exactly 1. If the product \(\tan \lambda \tan 23.45^{\circ}\) exceeds 1, then the arccosine function will be undefined. This will happen when the latitude is above \(90^{\circ} - 23.45^{\circ} = 66.55^{\circ}\). This latitude defines the Arctic circle, and at this latitude and above the length of daylight on the summer solstice is undefined. This is because at these latitudes the Sun doesn’t set at this time of the year! In the extreme limit of the north pole, \(\tan 90^{\circ} = \infty\) and the length of day is undefined all year long. At the north pole, the Sun rises just once per year, on the vernal equinox, and stays up until the autumnal equinox.

The derivative of daylight

Now that we have an equation for the length of daylight, seeing how much it changes from day to day is fairly straightforward. All we have to do is take the derivative. Converting to the more useful units of minutes / day, this ends up being:

\[\frac{dt_{\textrm{daylight}}}{dT} = \frac{576 \epsilon \cos 2\pi \widetilde{T} \tan \lambda \sec^2 (\epsilon \sin 2\pi \widetilde{T})}{73\sqrt{1 - \tan^2 \lambda \tan^2 (\epsilon \sin 2\pi \widetilde{T})}} \, \frac{\textrm{min}}{\textrm{day}},\]

where to make the equation a little cleaner, I’ve used \(\widetilde{T}\) to represent the fraction of the year since the vernal equinox.

Complications

To get a relatively simple functional form, I made a few approximations in the plots and equations above. What would we have to change if we wanted a more accurate calculation?

Atmospheric refraction and the solar limb

When calculating the length of day I assumed that the day began when the Sun is right on the horizon. But this isn’t quite when sunrise is in reality. First, the Sun has a finite width, about half a degree, so when its center is right on the horizon, half of the disk is above the horizon, and we would still consider it daytime. So really we want to know when the top of the Sun reaches the horizon.

The second complication is that at the moment we observe the Sun to rise, its true position is still, in fact, beneath the horizon. But due to the refraction light by the atmosphere, the light from the Sun curves upward to make the Sun appear higher on the sky than it really is.

Image credit: Hong Kong Observatory

To take into account atmospheric refraction, we would not want to calculate the hour angle of the Sun when its altitude is zero, but when it is slightly less than zero. On the horizon, this effect turns out to be about twice as large as the width of the Sun.

Taking into account both the width of the solar disk (the “solar limb” in the jargon) and atmospheric refraction, the altitude of the Sun at sunrise or sunset is on average about \(-50^{\prime}\). (Though the atmospheric refraction varies quite a bit due to weather conditions very close to the horizon.) Unfortunately this complicates the sunrise equation quite a bit since the altitude term no longer drops out of the spherical law of cosines equation and we get

\[H = \arccos \left(-\tan \lambda \tan \delta - \frac{\sin a}{\cos \lambda \cos \delta} \right).\]

You can see how much extra daylight this effect gives you at different latitudes with this plot:

A difference in altitude of \(50^{\prime}\) doesn’t sound like too much, but it adds a non-negligible amount of daylight to the day. At the latitude of Los Angeles (\(34^{\circ}\)) it adds around eight extra minutes of daylight to the day. So strictly speaking the “equinox” is a bit of a misnomer — thanks to the atmosphere the length of the day isn’t quite equal to the length of the night. Even at the equator where the effect is weakest there is 6 minutes and 40 seconds of extra daylight on the equinox, so the day is more than 13 minutes longer than the night! And at higher latitudes the impact of atmospheric refraction becomes even more pronounced. At those latitudes the ecliptic runs almost parallel to the horizon, so the Sun has to move quite a ways horizontally to make much progress in the vertical direction. For my friend in Stavanger this effect adds nearly 20 minutes to his day during the solstices. But at least until you get very close to the Arctic circle, the change in the amount of daylight from one day to the next due to this effect is relatively small.

Eccentricity and the obliquity of the ecliptic

There is a second problem with the equation I used for the length of the day. When I calculated the declination of the Sun I just modeled it as a simple sinusoid:

\[\delta \simeq \epsilon \sin \left( \frac{T}{365 \, \textrm{d}} \right).\]

This is a reasonably good approximation, but it has two problems. The first is that it doesn’t properly take into account the spherical geometry. You can imagine that in the limit that the ecliptic were tilted at \(90^{\circ}\), the Sun’s declination would simply increase linearly from \(0^{\circ}\) to \(90^{\circ}\) and then back down again. Really the correct equation is

\[\delta = \arcsin \left(-\sin \epsilon \sin \left( \frac{T}{365 \, \textrm{d}} \right) \right).\]

We were effectively using the small angle approximation of \(\sin x \simeq x\), along with its inverse, \(\arcsin x \simeq x\). Since \(\epsilon\), the obliquity of the ecliptic, is (sort of) small, the approximation is only off from the true value by at most \(1.5^{\circ}\), and this ends up having a fairly small impact on the change in the amount of daylight from one day to the next.

The other way that the simple model for the Sun’s declination is wrong is that it assumes that the Sun moves at a constant angular speed over the course of the year. But because the Earth’s orbit is elliptical, when the Earth is at perihelion (which occurs in early January), the Sun will appear to move somewhat faster than average and when the Earth is at aphelion (in early July), the Sun will move slower than average.

To account for the eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit you’d have to turn to the Kepler equation:

\[2 \pi \widetilde{T} = E - e \sin E,\]

where \(E\) is the eccentric anomaly and \(e\) is the eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit. After solving this transcendental equation you’d then have to convert the eccentric anomaly into the true anomaly:

\[\nu = \arccos \left( \frac{\cos E - e}{1 - e \cos E} \right).\]

This would then give you the ecliptic longitude of the true Sun rather than the ecliptic longitude of the mean Sun.

The overall impact of the eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit on the length of the day is pretty minimal, however. Over the course of the year the Sun drifts from west to east with respect to the background stars. Because of this drift, the length of the solar day is about four minutes longer than the length of the sidereal day (a complete \(360^{\circ}\) rotation of the Earth). This means that near perihelion, when the Sun is moving faster than average, the day will be slightly longer than it would otherwise be. And around aphelion the day will be slightly shorter. But even at these times when the effect is maximal, the change in the length of the day is only on the order of 10 seconds (unless, as always, you’re in the Arctic circle or very close to it).

So those are few ways to find out how long the day is, some simpler and some more accurate. If you would like to see the code I used to generate the figures you can find it at this Jupyter notebook.


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Comments

  • By esalman 2025-03-1921:235 reply

    The writer had to attend a standup with a colleague in Norway to realize this and write an article. Funnily enough, as a Muslim I get reminded about this annually during Ramadan, which is right now.

    First of Ramadan this year coincided with March 1, and it was a 12:45 hours of fasting from the first light of dawn to sunset at my location, also near Los Angeles. Today it's going to be 13:15 hours long, and by the time last of Ramadan rolls in around the end of March, it will be 13:37 hours.

    Ramadan is observed following the lunar calendar, which is shorter than solar- based calendars by about 10 days. A winter Ramadan is short and easy in the northern hemisphere and we will have the shortest days in 2031. 2047 it's going to be middle of summer, so the hardest.

    In case you ask, well what about places where sun does not set? When do you have your Suhoor (meal before dawn) and iftar (breakfast meal at sunset)? Opinions differ, but people usually follow the more realistic time of sunrise and sunset at a reference location. My brother in law was in Sweden few years back and he used the time of Mecca as reference.

    • By pm3003 2025-03-1923:431 reply

      Living among Muslim and Catholic people in a time of simultaneous Lent and Ramadan, I first read "How the Fast Days are getting longer" and thought "How true, how true".

      • By BLKNSLVR 2025-03-201:013 reply

        As a middle-aged human I first read "How the Fast Days are getting longer" as some kind of ironic commentary with the actual meaning being "how fast the days are getting shorter".

    • By walrus01 2025-03-200:001 reply

      An interesting thing that non-muslims may not consider is that because Ramadan goes backwards in the western calendar approx. 10 days per year, for many people it'll be only a few times in their total lifespan when they experience and remember it being in the middle of summer and also in the middle of winter.

      • By esalman 2025-03-202:39

        This. I was a high schooler when I had winter Ramadan. Next time that happens in 2031 I'll be 46, and 62 in 2047 when it's in the middle of summer. If I'm lucky I might get one more winter Ramadan in 2063 or something, InshaAllah

    • By speakspokespok 2025-03-1922:035 reply

      So you have to plan your daily routine around the rules of Ramadan, and their interpretation differ by your location and from year to year?

      • By esalman 2025-03-1922:421 reply

        Yeah. Just trivial Muslim problems.

        Yesterday I had a flight from San Jose to LA. I didn't really plan for Ramadan when I booked the flight. I was scheduled to land at LAX at 6.45pm, about 25 minutes before iftar LA time. The plan was to land, have something light at the terminal then drive 1 hour back to my place.

        Well the flight got delayed about 25 minutes. It was going to land about 10 minutes after sunset. I was debating whether to buy something to eat before boarding. But then I can't have the tray open and eat when the plane is landing. I ended up breaking fast in the LAX terminal but around 30 minutes after I originally planned to.

        Its really nice flying during sunset though, the pink sky around LA was gorgeous.

        • By walrus01 2025-03-200:021 reply

          Depending on the specific school of fiqh that the commenter follows, he could have also been totally fine not fasting at all if traveling more than 80 km beyond his home.

          https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&channel=ent...

          • By esalman 2025-03-202:43

            That's right! People who are used to fasting don't want to miss out regardless. I mean you get the best type of food in Ramadan which for some reason people don't make the rest of the year.

      • By yonatan8070 2025-03-205:421 reply

        As an Israeli, on Friday and Saturday the train/bus schedule changes based on the time Sabbath starts (which is, iirc, when 3 stars are visible in the sky), meaning that in winter there's like one or two trains really late (like 22:00-23:00) on Saturday, and in summer there's like four or five, starting at a more reasonable time than 23:00.

        • By widforss 2025-03-208:561 reply

          I don't understand. The stars come out earlier in winter, but the train starts later? And wouldn't the trains rather stop when the Sabbath starts?

          • By yonatan8070 2025-03-2011:18

            Sorry I got the words mixed up, wrote this too early lol..

            Sabbath starts on Friday, so trains end in the noon/afternoon, and start after Sabbath ends on Saturday evening/night.

      • By Ozzie_osman 2025-03-1922:261 reply

        Yes! You should also look into how pro athletes handle the logistics of fasting and competing (eg Kyrie, Mo Salah, and many others).

        • By madcaptenor 2025-03-200:21

          I saw some things recently about how Hakeem Olajuwon fasted during Ramadan and generally his performance was just as good during Ramadan as during the rest of the season, which is really impressive.

      • By rat9988 2025-03-1922:04

        My routine changes depending on location and the year anyway.

      • By travisjungroth 2025-03-1922:241 reply

        Solar calendar user, meet lunar calendar user.

        • By thaumasiotes 2025-03-1922:522 reply

          I'm not seeing how the time of sunrise and sunset differ according to whether your calendar follows the sun or the moon. Ramadan wanders through the solar year, sometimes occurring in the summer, sometimes in the winter, because it is scheduled according to the lunar cycle. But the fact that Stockholm has a lot more daylight during summer than Mecca does is just a consequence of the layout of the Earth. They both have summer at the same time. The effects are what's different.

          • By travisjungroth 2025-03-1923:012 reply

            If you use a solar calendar, the difference would only be by location. Solar calendar users already experience that. It applies for day-to-day stuff, but I actually can't think of any events explicitly tied to sunrise/sunset in a Western/Christian calendar. So you really need that to experience the full extreme, which Ramadan has.

            Jewish holidays have that too, with the new day starting at sunset. But the calendar is lunisolar, so it wobbles buts doesn't drift. Islamic calendar has maximum differences.

          • By antasvara 2025-03-201:191 reply

            >Ramadan wanders through the solar year, sometimes occurring in the summer, sometimes in the winter, because it is scheduled according to the lunar cycle.

            To be honest, that's the difference people are talking about (at least to my understanding). Because Ramadan follows a lunar calendar, the sunrise on the first day of Ramadan in Stockholm could happen anywhere from ~3:30am to ~8:45am depending on the year.

            If I were using a lunar calendar as my actual calendar, the first day of the year would also have a sunrise time that varied significantly.

            • By walrus01 2025-03-201:471 reply

              The start and the end of ramadan (the month) are based entirely on the lunar calendar, and the islamic authorities that your particular branch of the faith sighting the moon by eyeball, but the length of time per day that you're obligated to fast are based on sunrise and sunset, which is obviously solar.

              • By AStonesThrow 2025-03-213:241 reply

                > sunrise and sunset, which is obviously solar

                Is it now?

                I mean, yes the sighting of the Sun is a solar-related reckoning of time, but the solar calendar is based on the Earth's orbit around our Sun and the way that orbit changes the Earth's relative axial tilt in relation to the part which faces Sunward, yes?

                On the other hand, a sunrise and sunset are not so much dependent on our orbit at all, but your particular latitude and longitude at any given point in time. Sunrise and sunset, in terms of orbital mechanics, aren't dependent on Earth's position in space or its orbit, but on the observer's position on Earth: where either the terrain/shadow obscures the Sun from our view or it doesn't. You can easily modify the phenomena of sunrise or sunset by traveling elsewhere, regardless of the solar calendar's season or our axial tilt.

                Our solar and lunar calendars are reckoned by solar and lunar activity, and Earthbound Leadership adjusts those calendars so that they're calibrated to that activity. On the contrary, with our civil time fixed in an abstract 24-hour cycle and sliced up into 60-minute time zones (give or take), sidereal time is sort of divorced from clock time, and we rarely attempt, in modern times, to calibrate civil time according to the Sun's actual meridians at all -- but we do, in fact, find it necessary to compensate for variations in the Earth's rotation.

                Ask any astronaut about sunrise and sunset, because for a satellite orbiting Earth, the Moon, or a probe which is traveling somewhere, those are alien or malleable constructs.

                • By walrus01 2025-03-214:021 reply

                  I mean, very roughly, our western calendar based on solar observations is consistent in that the same months will always be in the same season. You can always expect that January and December will be cold, and in the northern hemisphere have some of the shortest days of the year.

                  The Arabic Islamic calendar is not like that. Ramadan is one of the standard months of the lunar calendar and depending on what year you're talking about, Ramadan might be exactly in the middle of summer, or it might be in the direct middle of winter. Very approximately it goes "backwards" in seasons 10 or 11 days per year and eventually wraps all the way around from the POV of the western solar calendar.

                  In the western calendar, the winter solstice will always fall on December 20th or 21st even going up to the year 2100. And the same for the summer solstice on June 20th or 21st.

                  https://www.astropixels.com/ephemeris/soleq2001.html

                  • By AStonesThrow 2025-03-216:191 reply

                    Yes but you said that "sunrise and sunset are solar reckoning" and I wasn't taking issue with the topic of lunar/solar calendars because calendars don't count off or delineate the hours in a day.

                    Every calendar that I'm aware of considers "days" as an abstract unit which consists of one planetary rotation, without nuances of activity or visibility of external bodies, right? True?

                    • By walrus01 2025-03-217:171 reply

                      What I meant was that for an observant Muslim, the month start and month end date of Ramadan is set by the moon, but also each day has a very slight different sunrise time and Iftar time (sunset, when you can eat and drink again) which is dependent on the sun's position.

                      You are right that the human perceived calendar date is something we invented rather arbitrarily. Of course, the longest day of the year was occurring on June 20th before humans invented agriculture or cities. That we call it "June" and "20" is a cultural artifact.

                      • By AStonesThrow 2025-03-238:59

                        > dependent on the sun's position

                        Check your geocentrism

                        The Sun’s relative, apparent position.

                        Sunrise and sunset are wholly dependent on the observer’s position because “night” is a cultural construct referring to being within the Earth’s shadow rather than a dragon devouring the Sun, yes?

    • By MarceliusK 2025-03-2011:08

      It's fascinating how religious practices, like fasting from dawn to sunset, can make astronomical events feel so much more immediate and personal

    • By crossroadsguy 2025-03-206:342 reply

      I am heading to the local cafe right now. This is the only time of the year they make Special Ramadan Phirni and they don't even share that exact recipe. I have begged them many times: either make it year round or for just give me the bloody recipe.

      • By esalman 2025-03-208:27

        In Bangladesh we also make a bunch of different dishes only in Ramadan. I mean they are made all year round in restaurants, but in Ramadan every Muslim household and street corner vendors will make them- haleem (lentil soup with meat), piyaju/beguni (deep fried snacks made of onions, lentils and eggplant etc.), bundia/jalebi (desserts), sola-muri (chickpea dish with puffed rice), "rooh afza" beverage to name a few. Even my non-muslim friends would crave some of these dishes and look forward to Ramadan to enjoy these.

      • By AStonesThrow 2025-03-2023:56

        > bloody recipe.

        How apropos and now I'm curious how many English speakers don’t really consider how a “mildly profane” adjective had its start as a blasphemous slur against the Eucharist and a certain Queen?

  • By lars512 2025-03-1916:476 reply

    When living in Stockholm, I came to appreciate the various levels of twilight and darkness, rather than thinking of day and night so strictly. The sun being low on the horizon also scatters light across the sky in ways that are very beautiful and last much longer than sunrise and sunset in Australia where I grew up.

    • By Zanfa 2025-03-1917:283 reply

      Having grown up around the same latitude as Stockholm, one thing I never realized until last year when visiting tropics is how my subconscious associates warmth with long evenings. Being used to summers where you could basically read a book outside at 11PM, it felt really weird to be outside in tropic heat, but complete darkness by 6PM.

      • By mdpye 2025-03-1917:431 reply

        Catches me every time too. And it's so quick. You can go in to a shop to pick up a packet of crisps thinking it's daytime, but actually is quarter past 6, so you come back out and it's full dark!

        I'm in the southern UK, and I'd take our late-May/early-August "it's light while I'm awake and dark while I (should be) asleep" all year round if I could get it.

        • By jaggederest 2025-03-1919:372 reply

          You could become peripatetic and seek out the spot of opposite latitude during the dark season. So you could have 15 hours of daylight, 12 hours of daylight, then 15 hours of daylight again. I've thought that with idle rich amounts of money I'd get a very large yacht and sail the pacific rim in time with the seasons, perpetual spring, summer, spring, summer.

          • By mdpye 2025-03-1922:16

            It is a life goal, for sure! Not necessarily one I'll be able to reach, but we have to have stretch goals :D

          • By seizethecheese 2025-03-1920:531 reply

            It does not seem that you need to be rich to accomplish this. Wintering in chile seems with decent planning

            • By wholinator2 2025-03-1921:28

              We have different definitions of rich. It's not just the cost of living. It's also the time and to deal with the governments to allow this, it's having the money to spend the time, it's the job that allows this, it's the time away from family not being catastrophic for someone's wellbeing. Frankly, this is vastly infeasible for 99% of people. I'd easily consider the remaining 1% "rich" in some way

      • By henrikschroder 2025-03-1921:24

        The first time I visited the tropics, I never realised how much I associated the dark with it being cold!

        We went for dinner in the afternoon, sun was up, it was blazing hot, everything normal so far. We had dinner while the sun set in a nice air-conditioned restaurant, so it was dark when it was time to leave, and I walked out into the tropical night and was so confused why it was still warm and moist outside!

      • By thaumasiotes 2025-03-1922:56

        > Being used to summers where you could basically read a book outside at 11PM

        On the other hand, reading a book outside in normal daylight will hurt your eyes. The paper reflects too much light.

        Kindles solve this problem by being gray; I've never understood why Amazon went on to develop a "Paperwhite" model. Paper is too white!

    • By piva00 2025-03-1917:10

      Similar experience for me but probably even more extreme.

      I'm originally from São Paulo, Brazil, the Tropic of Capricorn almost cuts through the city itself. Sunrises and sunsets are very quick events, sitting somewhere to watch it would take some 30 minutes, and then darkness.

      Even after 10+ years of living in Sweden I still get mesmerised by sunrises and sunsets here, they last for so long and I get to be awed by the changing of colours, shadows, shapes, for hours. It's one of my favourite things to do during summers, just to be out somewhere by a lake with some friends, having food and drinks, and watching the endless twilight.

    • By dietr1ch 2025-03-1918:512 reply

      > When living in Stockholm, I came to appreciate the various levels of twilight and darkness, rather than thinking of day and night so strictly.

      In Chile you get somewhat long days and short days too, especially in the south, but instead of trying to be super precise about sunlight, the afternoon and night blend in and sort of crossfade. You end up with "8 de la tarde" (8 in the afternoon), and "6 de la noche" (6 at night) depending on the season.

      • By madcaptenor 2025-03-1919:371 reply

        Also: https://www.academia.org.mx/consultas/obras-de-consulta-en-l...

        7/8/9 de la noche (vs tarde) is used by 60/97/100% of American Spanish speakers vs 1/16/97% of European Spanish speakers. I wonder if the difference is due to Spain's generally late sunsets.

        It would be interesting to redo this analysis with a corpus that indicates seasons though.

        • By saagarjha 2025-03-216:44

          Americans also eat earlier.

      • By madcaptenor 2025-03-1919:30

        I think I have used "8 in the afternoon" even as close to the equator as Atlanta (~34 N). Our latest sunset is 8:52 pm, surprisingly late, because we are very far west in our time zone.

    • By TheSpiceIsLife 2025-03-201:26

      Australia spans, what, 40 odd degrees of latitude.

      Where I’m at in Aus it’s day light till 10pm at the summer solstice.

      No sun to really speak of at the winter solstice though.

    • By MarceliusK 2025-03-2011:10

      Growing up in Australia, you must have experienced quite a dramatic shift in how daylight feels when you moved

    • By christopher8827 2025-03-1918:281 reply

      Depends. I lived in St Kilda where the beach faces east. The sunset / golden hour seem to start from 6pm to 9pm.

      • By dkdbejwi383 2025-03-1922:14

        Up north in QLD, sunset seems to take about 15 minutes. Maybe a slight exaggeration, but it’s very quick compared to London where I am these days.

  • By frankus 2025-03-1919:229 reply

    The whole "6am sunrise and 6pm sunset every day of the year" thing at the equator is kind of mind blowing.

    Another maybe counterintuitive fact is that (to a reasonable approximation) everywhere on earth gets the same number of hours of daylight over the course of a year.

    • By infinitifall 2025-03-1920:362 reply

      Funny because growing up in the tropics I thought sunset and sunrise were synonymous with those times of the day, and learning people in other parts of the world experienced shrinking/lengthening day/night cycles was mind blowing. You mean it's 8PM in the night but the sun's still in the sky?

      • By henrikschroder 2025-03-1921:202 reply

        I was at a wedding in Sweden near midsummer with a lot of international guests. They were quite surprised to get out of the reception dinner at 10pm and see that the sun was still up. We were below the arctic circle, so no midnight sun, but it doesn't really get dark during the night, you get an hour or two of twilight, and then the sun rises at 2am again.

        • By anthomtb 2025-03-1922:073 reply

          I travelled to Stockholm from North America a few decades ago, right around midummer. Worst jetlag of my life.

          The problem was that 20 hours of daylight, especially having 2:30 AM feel like 6:30AM. It was impossible to get an adequate amount of sleep. The paper thin curtains in the cheap hotel where I stayed did nothing to block out the light.

          If I am ever in that part of the world at that time of year again, I will be bringing a sleep mask and seeking out a hotel with proper blackout blinds or curtains.

          • By flurdy 2025-03-200:11

            You can just bring or buy some pop-up travel blackout blinds made for babies. We used those with great effect when visiting my parents' summer house in Northern Norway in the summers when the kids were young.

            Bonus, they now work as great blackouts in my home office for video calls when I do not want sunshine and clouds to change my green-screen effects etc.

          • By dylan604 2025-03-1923:462 reply

            I would have thought that for places that close to the arctic circle would be a national crime to not have full black out curtains. The difference being the punishment based on what nation the crime was committed.

            • By BurningFrog 2025-03-200:43

              When you live there you get used to sleeping in daylight.

              That's not an excuse to not provide black out curtains at a hotel for international guests, but I guess people just don't think about it.

            • By widforss 2025-03-208:581 reply

              Let me tell you about Svalbard curtains. Dish soap and aluminum foil.

          • By globular-toast 2025-03-207:20

            I'm not sure if I should recommend the film Insomnia. You'll either like it because you can relate or might be traumatised all over again!

        • By globular-toast 2025-03-207:18

          I live in the south of England and experienced this in Scotland. I was trying to get somewhere to pitch my tent but rapidly running out of light, or so I thought. It was the height of summer and it just never really got dark. Maybe England isn't as different as I think it is, but it was strange to find my assumption that night=dark was quite wrong.

      • By n_ary 2025-03-1920:541 reply

        What do you mean 08:00PM. We have enough sunlight up into 09:47PM(21:47) during mid to late summer and darkness falls after 10:30PM(22:30).

        Winter is… Sunrise at 08:12AM and Sunset by 04:00PM(16:00).

        You can technically use this info to guesstimate my location ;)

        • By dylan604 2025-03-1923:481 reply

          Since you used a 12-hour clock by default, upper mid-west US?

          • By tempestn 2025-03-205:10

            I'd guess Canada given latitude and the fact that both formats were given.

    • By godelski 2025-03-1922:13

        > The whole "6am sunrise and 6pm sunset every day of the year" thing at the equator is kind of mind blowing.
      
      You can take this further. Look at weather and seasons. Here's Nairobi's yearly averages[0]. You can see that both temperature and precipitation are fairly consistent. On the other side of the continent Libreville[1] has a bit more precipitation variance but still low temperature variance. Let's got to South America with Macapa[2] and Quito[3] and let's keep going and land in Kuching[4].

      Essentially in these regions, there are no real seasons. At least in the sense that many think of them. Things do change, but winter isn't that different than summer.

      I know there are variances, but the scale masks a bit of what's going on. So let's look at London[5], Osaka[6], Auckland[7], Los Angeles[8] (often joked at for having no weather), Seattle[9], and Oslo[10]. As you can see, these are extremely different situations. It even has large effects on how people think about weather, time, and other things.

      It's funny how what is so obvious and normal to some are completely different to others. Sometimes seeming as if we live in different worlds. In some sense, we do, and I think we often forget that.

        [0] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/kenya/nairobi/climate
        [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/gabon/libreville/climate
        [2] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/brazil/macapa/climate
        [3] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/ecuador/quito/climate
        [4] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/malaysia/kuching/climate
        [5] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/uk/london/climate
        [6] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/japan/osaka/climate
        [7] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/new-zealand/auckland/climate
        [8] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/los-angeles/climate
        [9] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/seattle/climate
        [10] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/norway/oslo/climate

    • By BurningFrog 2025-03-200:50

      There is the same number of hours of daylight, but near the poles you sleep through a lot of those hours in summer. So you experience far fewer hours of daylight.

      Another mind blowing thing about the equatorial sun is seeing it above you! Where I grew up, the sun is never higher that 30 degrees.

    • By balderdash 2025-03-1923:18

      I lived in East Africa for a while and you’d get kick out of the way time is referred to in Swahili, “midnight” is 6am, and the first hour of the day 7am etc. makes a ton of sense when sunrise is around the same time each day!

    • By hnuser123456 2025-03-1921:281 reply

      Yes, though a location at 45 degrees N/S only gets 70.7% as much sun power per area due to not being perpendicular to the sun's light, and even less on the ground due to extra atmosphere to pass through.

      • By frankus 2025-03-2021:15

        Appropriately enough, that "everywhere on earth gets the same number of hours of daylight" fact came from a solar system salesperson, who didn't go out of his way to emphasize the atmospheric effects here at ~49°N.

        The silver lining is that our longest days are often our sunniest.

    • By account42 2025-03-209:51

      > Another maybe counterintuitive fact is that (to a reasonable approximation) everywhere on earth gets the same number of hours of daylight over the course of a year.

      Not the same amount of usable daylight though as the amount you have to waste to get a decent amount of sleep all year around varies by latitiude.

    • By muzani 2025-03-207:58

      Living at the equator most of my life, it's actually funny how schedules are messed up when the sunrise is half an hour earlier or later. Traffic becomes chaotic because some people insist on getting home before sundown, or things like people becoming uneasy that the school starts before sunrise.

      Weather is fun too, because it changes by +/- 3 degrees throughout the year. The heat makes my bedroom door expand. We had an argument with the housing developers because we had custom doors that didn't fit. But turns out it was passing all the tests when they ran it, and not in hotter periods of the year.

    • By hinkley 2025-03-1921:42

      When we were in Hawaii I think the only reason we caught the sunset is because we were less than 400 yards from a beach. By the time you know the sun is going down you are about to be in the dark.

      Movies about vampires in the Arctic Circle are fun but vampires at the equator would be more terrifying for the humans at dusk and for the vampires at dawn.

    • By MarceliusK 2025-03-2011:12

      Kind of poetic how nature balances things out in the end.

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